Vaccines vs Delta

[red-beard]

https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-vaccines-effective-against-delta-variant-how-pfizer-moderna-and-jj-compare/

COVID-19 Vaccines Effective Against Delta Variant – How Pfizer, Moderna and J&J Compare

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalizations and emergency department visits caused by the Delta variant, according to data from a national study. That data also indicate that Moderna’s vaccine is significantly more effective against Delta than Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson.

“These real-world data show that vaccines remain highly effective at reducing COVID-19 related hospitalizations and emergency department visits, even in the presence of the new COVID-19 variant,” said study author Shaun Grannis, M.D., M.S., Regenstrief Institute vice president for data and analytics and professor of medicine at Indiana University School of Medicine. “We strongly recommend vaccinations for all who are eligible to reduce serious illness and ease the burden on our healthcare system.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s VISION Network analyzed more than 32,000 medical encounters from nine states during June, July and August 2021, when the Delta variant became the predominant strain. The results showed that unvaccinated individuals with COVID-19 are 5-7 times more likely to need emergency department care or hospitalization, similar to the overall effectiveness prior to the variant.

The study in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report is also the first analysis from the VISION Network to show a marked difference between the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer). In the study’s time period:

Moderna was 95 percent effective at preventing hospitalizations among adults ages 18 and older.
Pfizer was 80 percent effective at preventing hospitalizations among adults ages 18 and older.
Johnson & Johnson was 60 percent effective at preventing hospitalizations among adults ages 18 and older.
The study also found that vaccine effectiveness is lower for people 75 years and older, which has not been shown in previous research. This could be due to a range of factors, including the increased time since vaccination.

When it came to preventing emergency department and urgent care visits, analysis showed that:

Moderna was 92 percent effective.
Pfizer was 77 percent effective.
Johnson & Johnson was 65 percent effective.
Scientists say these findings need further monitoring and evaluation.

“Despite the differences in effectiveness, vaccines continue to offer much more protection than not getting one at all,” said Dr. Grannis. “While breakthrough cases do happen, data shows the symptoms are less severe. The vast majority of COVID hospitalizations and deaths continue to be among unvaccinated individuals. COVID-19 vaccines are powerful tools for combating the pandemic.”

The VISION network, funded by the CDC, includes seven organizations that contribute and analyze data from U.S. healthcare systems to learn more about the COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness. In addition to Regenstrief Institute, other members are Columbia University Irving Medical Center, HealthPartners, Intermountain Healthcare, Kaiser Permanente Northern California, Kaiser Permanente Northwest and University of Colorado.

“Interim Estimates of COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department or Urgent Care Clinic Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Nine States, June–August 2021” is published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. In addition to Dr. Grannis, other authors on the paper are Elizabeth A. Rowley, DrPH, M.S. of IU School of Medicine; Toan C. Ong, PhD of Kaiser Permanente Northwest; Edward Stenehjem, M.D., MSc of InterMountain Healthcare; Nicola P. Klein, M.D., PhD of Columbia University; Malini DeSilva, M.D. of HealthPartners; Allison Naleway, PhD of Kaiser Permanente Northwest; Karthik Natarajan, PhD of Columbia University and Mark G. Thompson of the CDC COVID-19 Response Team.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by red-beard

The vast majority of COVID hospitalizations and deaths continue to be among unvaccinated individuals. COVID-19 vaccines are powerful tools for combating the pandemic.

This statement won't go unchallenged here...I'm making popcorn while I wait for the trio to weigh in.

[red-beard]

You can lead a horse to water...

[pmax]

With regard to this vaccines vs delta subject, this is interesting as well.



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/1101937-mass-vaccination-triggers-viral-evolution-towards-more-infectious-strains.html

VOC is just the CDC's term for mutant, the acronym's really unnecessary subjective obfuscation.

What do you make of it ?

[Steve Carlton]

The first post in the above thread cites greatgameindia.com. A quick search shows they are not credible in the least. I'm wondering if there a "snopes" type of website that rates sites for quality of information or disinformation. Any thoughts on Newsguard?

https://www.newsguardtech.com/

https://www.newsguardtech.com/covid-19-myths/

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

The first post in the above thread cites greatgameindia.com. A quick search shows they are not credible in the least. I'm wondering if there a "snopes" type of website that rates sites for quality of information or disinformation. Any thoughts on Newsguard?

https://www.newsguardtech.com/

https://www.newsguardtech.com/covid-19-myths/

It will not matter a whit what site is quoted, someone will call it a propaganda site. And most of the anti-vaxers have their minds made up. Nothing at all, nothing, will change minds on the issue.

Vaccines rid the world of Smallpox and polio and dozens of other deadly diseases. Right now if the mumps had a resurgence lots of people would refuse the vaccine, and it is a bad thing for an adult male to get.

I will be getting my booster shot as soon as possible. I get a flu shot each year. I am a believer in vaccines, and I am a life long skeptic of all mystical thinking.

[Steve Carlton]

Agree with you. I got my second Pfizer shot on 5/1. It'll be interesting to see if getting a mix and match booster is the way to go.

I was having dinner with my girlfriend (an RN) and a doctor friend of hers. After dinner, he walks up with what I thought was a plate of desserts or apertifs. I was a plate of flu shot syringes. I took one, and ever since then have gotten a flu shot every year. It's been probably 40 years since then and I think I had a mild flu once for 2-3 days. A win as far as I'm concerned.

[Pazuzu]

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[Tobra]

They lose me when they start talking about effectiveness as a percentage

[Steve Carlton]

Me too. You and I both get the same vaccine. I'm at home all day never interacting with anyone, my percentage is going to be about 100%. You go maskless to every large event you can and mingle. Your percentage is going to closer to 0%.

Edit- the percentages have to be an average over many being compared. So they're an indication.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by Tobra

They lose me when they start talking about effectiveness as a percentage

Wtf does that even mean?


Be honest, they lost you when they started posting facts you don’t want to hear. Why do you even click on these threads? It’s clear you’ve chosen to bury your head in the Qsand.

[pmax]

Now this is an interesting disclaimer.



What do you make of it ?

[island911]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Wtf does that even mean?


Be honest, they lost you when they started posting facts you don’t want to hear. Why do you even click on these threads? It’s clear you’ve chosen to bury your head in the Qsand.

WTF is wrong with U?

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by pmax

Now this is an interesting disclaimer.



What do you make of it ?

This is one of the problems with the breakthrough infections that people seem not to understand. The majority do not get sick, or have almost no symptoms. They are only detected with random testing.

So there is the 'vaccinated, positive, but not tested group' and the 'barely any virus' group, ten cycles to test positive, versus thirty.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Wtf does that even mean?


Be honest, they lost you when they started posting facts you don’t want to hear. Why do you even click on these threads? It’s clear you’ve chosen to bury your head in the Qsand.

Originally Posted by island911

WTF is wrong with U?

Because all the vaxx pushers need to make it a political issue ( trump, con, "Q', etc...) when someone is against getting vaccinated. Just not being comfortable with it at the moment, isn't good for them.

I had Covid. It was pretty much a non event for me.

One day I probably will get one. But not until the info stops changing minute to minute.

Seriously all the vaxx threads need to be merged into one. Or move it over to PARF, because that's all these threads turn into.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

Because all the vaxx pushers need to make it a political issue ( trump, con, "Q', etc...) when someone is against getting vaccinated. Just not being comfortable with it at the moment, isn't good for them.

I had Covid. It was pretty much a non event for me.

One day I probably will get one. But not until the info stops changing minute to minute.

Seriously all the vaxx threads need to be merged into one. Or move it over to PARF, because that's all these threads turn into.

If you've had COVID, getting a shot is probably not needed.

On the PARF issue, I cannot control who or what is posted in the thread. If those political posters would keep in PARF, then this will not happen. They cannot help themselves.

Note to Pelican: You might consider giving the thread original poster the ability to "censor"/delete stuff that goes sideways.

[island911]

Yep, Vin. As far as I can tell it's a Karen psychosis... I got vax'd so g'dammit you had better get vax'd too. It's not FAIR if you don't..."

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Wtf does that even mean?


Be honest, they lost you when they started posting facts you don’t want to hear. Why do you even click on these threads? It’s clear you’ve chosen to bury your head in the Qsand.

Educate yourself on statistics

And up your Prozac dose, or something.

[mistertate]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Note to Pelican: You might consider giving the thread original poster the ability to "censor"/delete stuff that goes sideways.

And give anyone the ability to ignore island911. I have no idea why he is a moderator.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by mistertate

And give anyone the ability to ignore island911. I have no idea why he is a moderator.

I'm not aware he is. Not in OT or PARF, anyway.