A solution to bad behavior in the air

[jcwade]

I searched and did not find this topic anywhere on OT so here we go.

I just read of another unruly airline passenger.
This involved assault on people and the perp generally making an a$$ of themselves.
Of course, the police were waiting on the ground to take the miscreant into custody.

This seems to happen all the time these days and should not be tolerated.

The obvious solution, anyone who acts in a manner that requires restraints or the involvement of law enforcement, should be added to an industry wide no fly list.

No government involvement so no mandate.

Fly somewhere and act up, find an another means of transportation in the future.

Having to take a train, the bus, or a ship if overseas to get home, would instantly fix the problem.

[flipper35]

Or 90 days in jail per offense.

[Steve Carlton]

Both.

[URY914]

I believe they pretty much get added to the no fly list as standard procedure.

I've seen the videos too and can't figure out why some people go bad-**** crazy about following the rules for the next 1-2 hours of a flight.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by jcwade

Having to take a train, the bus, or a ship if overseas to get home, would instantly fix the problem.

No, it may have an impact but it won't fix it.

You are asking irrational people to come to a rational value proposition.

May as well try to make a cat bark like a dog.

[jcwade]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

No, it may have an impact but it won't fix it.

You are asking irrational people to come to a rational value proposition.

May as well try to make a cat bark like a dog.

You might be right.

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by URY914

I believe they pretty much get added to the no fly list as standard procedure.

I've seen the videos too and can't figure out why some people go bad-**** crazy about following the rules for the next 1-2 hours of a flight.

Rob O'Neil, the former Seal that is cited as killing Sammi Laden, is on a Delta no fly list. Something about not wearing a mask.

https://www.wrdw.com/2020/08/21/delta-bans-bin-laden-killer-for-not-wearing-a-mask/

The only place I have to go these days is to visit my mother about 1,500 miles away. Until the bad behavior and the mask requirements stop, I will be driving. Dang sure won't be flying Southwest cattle cars anymore for sure.

[URY914]

The FAA website says there are 45,000 (!) flights a day that they handle.

Pretty low odds that they flight you're on will have a wacko on it.

But if there is the video will probably show up on line and people will think this happens all the time.

[KFC911]

Yer now a member of the Airlines Band ... still won't fix stooopid, .... but more Cobell

[Norm K]

It's evident that airport operators and airlines care more about the money they make from serving alcohol than they do about the well-being of their employees and customers.

Stop serving alcohol on flights (and in the gate area of airports) and I'd wager that somewhere approaching 90% of this sort of behavior would disappear.

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[Jims5543]

There was another thread on this subject and I said the same thing there I will say here.

Charge Greyhound prices for plane seats and this is what you get.

The lowest common denominator is now flying, there is no more elegance in air travel.

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by URY914

The FAA website says there are 45,000 (!) flights a day that they handle.

Pretty low odds that they flight you're on will have a wacko on it.

But if there is the video will probably show up on line and people will think this happens all the time.

I should have said it isn't just the bad behavior. Air travel has turned into a painful event. People board planes with way more crap than they are allowed, especially women. A purse, another bag possibly two, then usually lunch and a huge drink. Of course those folks are usually the last to board and seated in the rear of aircraft bumping into everyone on the aisle as they saunter to the back.

I try to sit on aisle for the room. I'm not huge but tall enough and just want the extra space. So when the bathroom visits begin mid flight about 90% of people are compelled to grab every seat back while going down the aisle.

I got spoiled a long time ago when planes were never full. My first international was from San Francisco to London on a Pan Am 747. I was in the back but it was fairly empty. The flight attendant got on the intercom and said that the flight was not full so we were free to spread out and get a row to ourselves. I got in the center section, raised all the arm rests and had 6 seats that became my bed. The good old days.

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by Jims5543

There was another thread on this subject and I said the same thing there I will say here.

Charge Greyhound prices for plane seats and this is what you get.

The lowest common denominator is now flying, there is no more elegance in air travel.

Exactly what I was thinking when typing out my other response. When pajamas became acceptable for air travel people's behavior went into the sewer.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Both.

Both plus an BIG fine.

Something that will remind them each payment of that bill they really screwed up.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

I should have said it isn't just the bad behavior. Air travel has turned into a painful event. People board planes with way more crap than they are allowed, especially women. A purse, another bag possibly two, then usually lunch and a huge drink. Of course those folks are usually the last to board and seated in the rear of aircraft bumping into everyone on the aisle as they saunter to the back.

I try to sit on aisle for the room. I'm not huge but tall enough and just want the extra space. So when the bathroom visits begin mid flight about 90% of people are compelled to grab every seat back while going down the aisle.

I got spoiled a long time ago when planes were never full. My first international was from San Francisco to London on a Pan Am 747. I was in the back but it was fairly empty. The flight attendant got on the intercom and said that the flight was not full so we were free to spread out and get a row to ourselves. I got in the center section, raised all the arm rests and had 6 seats that became my bed. The good old days.

^^^^^^This.

[David]

I'm more amazed every day by how many people make bad decisions.

One I notice a lot is car damage. Look at who has car damage and who doesn't, I think there's a strong correlation to their other life decisions.

For example: we have 24 hour security guards at work. Nothing against security guards, I was one for a short period in college so I could get paid to sit at a desk and study, but people who make a career out of it, may not make the best life choices. Ever so often I'll see that a guard got a new (used) car. The car is usually in pretty good condition. Everyone of them will have a new dent in short order and after a few months, more serious damage. Coincidence or bad luck? I don't think so.

[masraum]

Just open the door and throw them out. It's going to suck whether you're on the tarmac 12 feet up or at 35k feet.

Problem solved.

[stevej37]

^^^ Ala D.B. Cooper style....without the chute.

[URY914]

Some here would say that people should be allowed to open carry on flights. You know, to de-escalate things.....

[Seahawk]

One bag, backpack-sized, is all you can bring onboard per person. That is it. The rest is checked baggage.

80% of the problems are solved....see you at the carousel.

The other 20% of the problems are alcohol related.