Porsche-Red Bull deal off. It was sort of a confusing, convoluted deal to begin with. I wonder now if Porsche goes to Indycar? They're looking for a 3rd engine manufacturer. Porsche had expressed interest in the past. And there are similarities between the new IMSA hypercar engines and the new hybrid Indy engines. Penske is running the Porsche IMSA program and would, I'm sure, be interested in a Porsche Indycar team. Porsche have won F1. They've not won the Indy 500.

Porsche may still do F1,

McLaren would be the best partner for Porsche as Andreas Seidel who Team Principle before that he was Team Principle of the Porsche LMP1 programme so Porsche would have confidence of having one of 'theirs' already on the inside

I've heard McLaren now has a German type management structure/practices which hasn't gone down well with the long term McLaren guys

Or Porsche could buy out Williams if they wanted their own team but that would be an extremely long road from the slow end of the grid before Porsche would enjoy any success, assuming Porsche stay in F1 for long enough

Great !!! no conflicting allegiances for me ;-)
They should focus on endurance and their synthetic clean fuel. Sooner or later politicians will figure out the 2035 electric car mandates will not happen (lack of electrical supply - even now, lack of sufficient charge points, dirty rare minerals used for batteries) - and Porsche can swoop in with an acceptable solution of a super clean fuel made of carbon pulled from thin air, to delay that cutoff.. Also competing with another VW brand was dumb.

The way Albon is running as of late the Williams chassis may not be that far off . In a relatively short period of time with cash infusion they have gone from doormat to respectable . If they were to partner with someone like Porsche who knows how far they can go .

If I saw it correctly today watching practice Latifi had the highest straight line speed other than Max . Again showing the Williams has potential . With more $$$ and expertise they can go far . Interesting to think about .

Williams is probably the most likely option since they are owned by an investment company who could care less about whether they're in F1 or not.

Alex Albon out for this weekend with appendicitis replaced by Nick Devries . Nine drivers get grid penalties . This could get interesting 😜

It depends on where Max ends up on the grid. Ferrari does seem optimistic though.

Why is Ferrari pit crew in yellow?

Edit: N/m. Found it.

Mick qualifies 20th.

Haas probably knows he won’t be driving for them next year

You may be right but to be fair he had very little time in the car as they made transmission/clutch repairs . And his teammate was dismal also .

Having said that keep all sharp objects away from Latifi . How embarrassing to be out qualified by a team mate called in at the last minute to replace Albon .

A 2-stopper is better than a 1-stop strategy? 18 laps to go and 19 sec behind the fastest guy in the series?

What's the point of sending out the safety car if you're just going to end the race under yellow anyway? Heck, just finish the last 13 laps under VSC at that point.

Either way, Ferrari handed the race to Red Bull once again with their strategy. Wonder how much Horner and Marko are paying Binotto to throw the races?

And congrats to DeVries on a great race. I saw some meme on how he's going to make Latifi finish 22nd in a 20-car championship.

F1 really needs to get this Safety Car stuff sorted.

1. close the pits until leader is picked up. No free stops (ditto for VSC, just leave pits closed)
2. pick up leader and immediately let lapped cars over take
3. when, like in this situation, the incident is cleared get the SC OFF THE F'EEN track at the soonest point which doesn't have to be the pit entry

How is it that cars (George) were able to overtake the SC early in the SC time but others were not allowed to overtake later??? I hate rhetorical questions but there it is on full display how bunched up the SC rules and operation is in F1 currently..

I think Devries may have stuck a fork in the F1 career of Latifi today . He out qualified him and out raced him . A very solid performance overall . Schumacher battled to 12th and beat his teammate and needs to continue doing so .

I wonder how Alonso feels about today's Aston Martin DNF fest ? Mercedes slowly crawling back to being contenders. Danny Ric couldn't get laid in a women's prison his luck is so bad .

Pretty impressive that Checo salvaged a good finish after having brakes on fire ! Also a solid drive for Sainz he was enjoyable to watch carving through the field.

Wonder how those track marshalls feel. They've gotta be Italians and Tifosi, right? Had they been able to clear Ricciardo's car quicker, they could have given their driver a chance to pass Max at the end. I don't think I've ever seen a car cleared so slowly.

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Great summary. Yeah, Latifi is gone after this season. Both DeVries and Albon show that the Williams is no longer the guaranteed back marker car.

I don’t agree about Schumacher. Magnussen had a 5 second time penalty applied. I think there are some better talents out there who can help these struggling teams.

Man that should have been red flagged! Scary when the cars were coming up fast the the crane when it was moving and slowed down quick, one car darted to the inside to avoid the car in front, but it was right at the crane.

Gotta fix that stuff!

At last weeks race there were cranes with big long booms so they could reach everywhere.

Monza-not so much. Realize it a different track layout and a lot longer track but....

Interesting article about the modern super license process . I found it interesting that Max Verstappen and Kimi Raikkonen would not have been granted a license under the current system .

https://racer.com/2022/09/12/marko-still-hopeful-of-herta-super-license/

Most wins in a single F1 season
Schumacher - 13
Vettel - 13
Hamilton - 11
Verstappen - 11*
*6 races to go

Who wants to make a bet?

Schumi had 13 in 2004 when 18 were on the calendar.

Seb had 13 in 2013 on a race calendar of 19 races.

2022 has 22 races on calendar. Not to take away from Max but it isn't exactly apples to apples. For historical reference, the 1972 calendar had 12 races.

The strange part is at least for me it doesn't seem like Max has won 11 races this year. As if someone else has won a bunch but I guess that is my recollection of the start of the year.

It is always hard to compare years to years or eras to eras. Hammy had incredible good fortune and a car that almost never broke. I remember in one of Shumi's early years at Ferrari his car flung a half-shaft out and that was a DNF, not to mention his injury at Silverstone that took him out of most of the season. And who can forget Phil Massa getting plonked in the head by that little spring in Hungary and missing a few races.

Definition of irony:

DeVries runs a great race and is widely praised
by the media and fans

He earns points in his first race with little time
in the car to prep.

He is significantly faster than his "teammate" who has
been driving the car all season.

He is voted "driver of the day" in his first F1 race

the stewards let him off easy with just
a reprimand for unsafe driving.

I'm not particularly a fan of Verstappen nor of Redbull, but I honestly see him winning the rest of the races this year. It seems he can win from any starting position and his car has been supremely reliable of late.

Makes for another boring show, though.

Well, he has to pass to get there. The races are far better this year now that the cars can follow closely. Lots better than another Mercedes total domination with a clearly superior car for 8 years. More passes through the entire field.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/albon-respiratory-failure-surgery-singapore-gp/10368452/

Negative pressure pulmonary edema

In all fairness, Max is getting a bit of help from the Scuderia.

You have got to give it to RBR+Vers. They've gotten to grips with the new regs better than everyone else. Ferrari and Merc look helpless to offer any threat to them. And as if Verstappen needs any more creidibility, there is his team mate Perez.

Seguay to 2023, yikes its a lot of races. Two pairs of races have major travel requirements. Feel bad already for race teams.

Image is giant, like the schedule, https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/styles/panopoly_image_original/public/long.png?itok=fDO1VUNx

It looks like Colton Herta is pretty much toast as far as the FIA are concerned. It's ridiculous that so many in the F1 field are (and have been) marginally-talented ride-buyers and Herta is being excluded. He doesn't have any money to speak of, he's being sought only for his driving talent. I think if it were up to F1 alone, he'd be in for sure because they see the benefit of having an American driver. But the FIA could care less and don't want to give Indycar any international standing.

FIA have the wrong guy in charge. Period. End of report.

It's official now , Williams announced today they are parting ways with Nicholas Latifi at the end of this season . No replacement has been announced . I would imagine a lot of phone calls and text messages are being made .

Ah, Latifi... It's lonely at the back I suspect.


So here I was looking for FP1 and FP2 on ESPN App today.

Me too !!

Re: Herta.
My sense is that the FIA is just using it's power to put Andretti in 'their place' and Colton is a pawn in their game because of the way that papa and figlio Andretti tried to just bust open the gate to the grid by throwing money and the power of their name (and complaints to the sporting press) at the FIA and F1 instead of kissing the ring and bowing to the throne. Also, without any knowledge, only a projection or maybe a hunch I have an inkling that Mario is a detriment to Michael getting a car on the grid. I may be totally off base there, but it really seems to me that a door was slammed shut that should not have been.

I'm probably wrong . The FIA were probably glad to open the grid to Andretti, but it's a billionaires club and millionaires aren't as welcome as they used to be.

seems to me Michael would be the detriment, not Mario. F! is not about racers, its about profit.

Curt, the FIA super license points system is very biased towards Indycar :confused:
Maximum points for a championship win!

https://www.planetf1.com/features/fia-super-licence-explained/

Herta's racing history doesn't read as anything special so I'm confused why so many people think he's fast enough and deserves an exemption :confused:

Hope Herta earns enough points, gets into F1 and doesn't sink like the majority of new drivers :cool:

As for Andretti's approach to getting an F1 entry :rolleyes:

Rumour is Honda is coming back next year with Honda logo's all over the RB car and they are working on a new PU for 2026 :cool:

I don't understand the system at all. Max points = 40. Herta has 7 Indycar wins in the last 3 years = 280 points. This year, the Andretti cars were pretty much a disaster. The article says you need 40 points in the past 3 years for a Super License. What am I missing?

Also, the points system is heavily biased to F2 (or biased against Indycar) depending on how you look at it.