Looking for a Ruger mini 14

[Bill Douglas]

Add this drum magazine and you have a very formidable weapon.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by 911boost

These guys approve!

Not the best spokesman for accuracy..

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by id10t

The magazine cost for good working magazines is about 3x what AR mags go for.

I have two 20 and one 10 round mag. Washington just banned magazines over ten rounds. My sons and every other shooter we all know are running out and stocking up before out July 21st deadline. I'm not. I cannot imagine "needing" more magazines than that, for how I use the rifle. I actually prefer the flush mounted ten round, it makes the rifle a whole lot nicer to carry. In other words, this is a non-issue for me.

Originally Posted by id10t

Good triggers etc are common for ARs and can be relatively cheap ($100 or less).

There is no such thing as a "good" trigger on any of these rifles, so I won't even bother. Just a waste of money in my opinion. And yes, I am a certifiable "trigger snob". "Good" triggers are found on single shot match rifles, bolt action match or varmint rifles, well tuned S&W or Colt revolvers, and stuff like that. Granted, one can install a "better" trigger on these "black rifles", but they will never have a "good" trigger. So, another non-issue for me.

Originally Posted by id10t

Flexibility - new caliber is just a new upper away. More calibers than you can shake a stick at. Need/want a long barrel for varmint hunting, and a short barrel for home defense? Much easier to just buy a second upper and use it when needed. Want a different grip, stock, etc? All doable on the AR, not on the Mini.

When I want a new caliber, I buy a new rifle. Barrel interchangeability means nothing to me. Especially not in the narrow range of calibers and their performance envelopes available in these platforms. Actually, beyond their original .223 (or .308 in the bigger platforms), none of the other offerings interest me in the least. They are all exceedingly compromised to meet packaging requirements in these rifles, with far better offerings in all of the same bore diameters available in bolt actions, single shots, and lever guns that will accept longer cartridges. So, again, non-issue for me.

Originally Posted by id10t

Fixing when things break - I'll be honest. I used and abused my Mini. Ammo was cheap and I had no bills, etc. I can tell you that just over 3k rounds of mostly rapid fire (like lighting a cigarrette off the hot barrel after a bunch of mag dumps) will shoot out the barrel. On an AR, $100 and a big wrench you can replace your own barrel. Good luck on the Mini.

I would never treat any firearm with such disrespect and subject it to that kind of abuse. I have shot barrels out on a number of firearms, mainly bolt action varmint rifles. The worst has been my #1 in .220 Swift. I shoot it with the utmost care, never letting it heat up, but it still uses up barrels in about 2,000 rounds. Just way too much powder in way too small of a bore. That's different, though, and I'm willing to put up with that for the performance it offers. I just bring it to my favorite local gunsmith and have him rebarrel it. As far as the Mini 14, however, I don't anticipate ever shooting it out. I don't abuse it, and I don't shoot it that much anyway. So, again - non-issue for me.

Originally Posted by id10t

Also, Ruger still doesn't offer a warranty though they do service their stuff. Until your generation of Mini is tool old for them to care about or have parts for, and then you are SOL. With the AR design you have dozens of options on where to get parts and they are all self-replacable with minimal tools, etc.

How many guns have you sent to Ruger for repair? In over 40 years of owning more Rugers than I can remember, I've only had to send two. Both were back in my grubby little hands in less than two weeks, fully repaired and functional.

Lots of gun companies have no expressed warrantee of any kind. This is pretty common in this industry. My favorite shooting sports related repair story was with Leupold. I had bought a Vari-X II 3-9x at a gun show and, after some ten years of ownership and use, it failed. I sent it to Leupold for repair one Monday morning, with a letter explaining how I had purchased it used a decade prior, and asking them to just bill me for the repairs. I had it back that Friday, five days later. For free. They even paid return shipping. I called to explain to them their mistake and ask for a bill, but the nice lady on the phone simply explained "sir, it's a Leupold that didn't work. We can't have that. Have a nice day". A buddy rolled his old Blazer down a sidehill out elk hunting one day, with his rifle in a side window rack. Broke the Leupold mounted to it in half. Same thing - Leupold, even when told what happened, replaced it for free. Yet no written warrantee...

So, with my first hand experience with Ruger (and a number of other reputable manufacturers), this lack of a warrantee is, again, a non-issue.

Originally Posted by 911boost

Jeff, I would be curious to hear what you read about the M1A, I have the standard version and have for years. Like you, I do not shoot it very often. It has gone elk and hog hunting with me though and performed in that role.

It was all service related, stemming from its early use in Vietnam, and its current use in "the sandbox". In Vietnam, its wood stock proved problematic in the constant wet. That has since been addressed with a switch to composite. The other complaint, in both theaters, is the open nature of the action. In the former, it collected mud and debris. In the latter, sand and debris, affecting reliability. Both generations complain about its inherent inaccuracy, with that big heavy operating rod jarring the whole works every time it cycles. That, and apparently it is very sensitive to bedding, to the point that when the action is removed from the stock they see significant changes in the point of impact upon reassembly.

Springfield Armory attempts to address this accuracy issue on their National Match rifles by very tightly glass bedding the action into the stock. Tight enough that they recommend you do not try to separate the two - you will likely break (wood stocks) or otherwise damage (composite stocks) the stock in so doing.

I've never worried about any of this. For me, it's just a "fun gun". I'm not carrying it into battle. It shoots as well as I would expect such a rifle to shoot. If I want (or need) better, I have plenty to choose from.

[MMiller]

id10t... you had to know it was a set up...

He's never just curious, rather just lying in the weeds..

[sc_rufctr]

This was actually a pretty good movie and I also like The Peacemaker (1997). The Nuke carrying steam train (at the beginning of The Peacemaker) looked fantastic moving through the wilderness.

I just swished he'd stay out of politics. In fact I think they all should but alas somehow they think they're qualified.

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

Yeah but it was in The American and looked cool. Not so much Clooney but with the other sniper.

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[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by MMiller

id10t... you had to know it was a set up...

He's never just curious, rather just lying in the weeds..

What an odd reply...

I'm not arguing with him, or trying to tell him he is wrong about his assessments. If those issues are important to him (and it sounds like they are), then he is, indeed, better off with an AR platform. All I'm trying to do is to point out that those are not issues for me. While they are in fact "advantages" of the AR platform, they are "advantages" I would never realize. It's up to each individual to decide if those issues are important to them. It was my hope that in providing counterpoints, I might be helping folks think about whether those issues are important to them, as they are to id10t, or if they are not, like me, so they can make the choice that is right for them. That's all. I think you must have read something else into it...

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

Yeah but it was in The American and looked cool. Not so much Clooney but with the other sniper.

The scope eye technique, if you want to look like half a panda...

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

The scope eye technique, if you want to look like half a panda...

With no trigger discipline at all. At least she's not aiming into the camera.

[Seahawk]

I have a Ruger Ranch in .223 (wooden stock over 20 years old) and a S&W M&P15 Sport in .223.

The S&W was my son's but he significantly upgraded to another rifle and gave me his.

I traded my Bushmaster Varminteer AR-15 for the Ruger and some cash with my neighbor. I did an extensive test period with the Ranch since, while extraordinary accurate for an AR-15 design, I hated the way the Bushmaster fit me.

My neighbor loves it and has had it for over 15 years.

I very much prefer the Ranch to the S&W I own. The Ranch is accurate enough for ground hogs and it feels right to me. Just the way it is.

There are a bunch of Ranch Rifles for sale on Gunbroker. Good luck!

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

The scope eye technique, if you want to look like half a panda...

True but it didn't have any kick at all and was totally silent.

If you FF that scene, she tells him to walk to the target and shoot back at her a few feet to her side. She then says she could hear it but couldn't place where the noise was coming from.

But she looked good doing it.

[matthewb0051]

[Rapewta]

Good carbine. Buy a new one. 580 series or newer. Even tho the rifle is stamped .223, it is chambered for 556 also. Only the Target Mini model is strictly .223.
Can't beat the Garand rotating bolt. I don't think you will have a problem finding one. Most
sporting goods stores that sell firearms will have some.

[Joe Bob]

While the .223 and the 5.56 can be chambered in the same rifle the metric round has more powder. You “may” run the risk of damage to your barrel by using a 5.56 in your Ruger.

[JavaBrewer]

The ranch rifle is stamped 556, the target is stamped 223.

[Joe Bob]

BTW. I prefer the Ruger over the AR. My brother old Ruger would fire woodchips w/o a stove pipe. My friends freshly cleaned AR fouled one ever thee mags.

[Joe Bob]

BTW. Cooney good actor needs to STFU regarding politics.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

The scope eye technique, if you want to look like half a panda...

The scope is a good couple inches from her eye, but the rubber eyepiece is made to fit flush against you.

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

The scope eye technique, if you want to look like half a panda...

Good thing it's only a movie and doesn't use live rounds. Only Alec Baldwin uses live rounds on set.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

BTW. Cooney good actor needs to STFU regarding politics.

Cooney might be a good actor but that doesn't make him smart. He should stick to his day job.

[tabs]

2 moa is TERRIBLE...Les Baer Ar's's advertise 1/2 MOA...

Knights SR25 ..advertises 1 MOA or less at 600 yds. That is why it was adopted by the DOD as a DMR.