We need a new gun thread here.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

DW I know
V-bob I know

What is NP3?

It's an electroless nickel and teflon finish by Robar, which no longer offers it to individuals. They're 10 min. from my house, but only do gov't. contracts now. And I don't think they've started to license it out to others yet. So it's unobtanium for anyone who doesn't already have it on their gun. This is one I had them do a while back.

[Por_sha911]

Rick: I learned something. Nice unique piece.
Jeff: I love the way they mark the #1 chamber. I'm trying to think how I can do that to my existing cylinders even though I don't need the empty chamber.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Jeff: nice Dragoons. For SAO I have a lowly Ruger

Its comfortable to shoot with 45 Colts and has a 2nd cylinder for 45 ACP.
I just held a 36 Cheifs Special this week. Very old (no dash in the serial #) and in excellent condition. I didn't need it but the 'want' was really bad.

"Lowly"??? Anything but, Joe. Everything considered, one of the greatest, most useful guns we have ever made. I would never be without one. Mine is my "go-to" back packing, extended wilderness stay gun. Also in .45 Colt. This thing has probably logged more miles on my hip in the wilderness than every other sidearm I own combined. It's the one I grab when I just need one that works, and can be forgotten about until needed, regardless of weather. Yeah, I'll grab a Dragoon if I'm going hunting, but they are noticeably heavier and less handy than the Ruger. For general "woods bumming", the Ruger just can't be beat.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by tabs

I don't like SIg Sauers..only Sig worth having is the one made in Switzerland..

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Thems fightin’ words tabs. Metal body Sigs of all flavors are worth while. Sweet operating guns one and all.

[Brando]

I disagree sir tabsdoulla. I was able to visit the Sig center here in NH and got to play with a lot of the locally-manufactured stuff. Quite good indeed.

Originally Posted by tabs

I don't like SIg Sauers..only Sig worth having is the one made in Switzerland..

The CZ's are reminiscent of the Sig 210..inside rails..

A Grail spoon is something that you want that is unusually hard to find due to rarity and or condition.

I can not think of a thing at this time.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

CO2 and air pistols are lots of fun. And accurate too. .22 handguns are excellent too.

If I remember correctly, I think the Uzi accident was an eight year old girl who shouldn't have really been shooting the thing anyway.

And wasn't it full auto. She pulled the trigger and with every round the gun climbed over her head until it was pointed behind her.

[masraum]

What are good prices for Sig 226 (9mm), Sig 229 (9mm), and Sig 220 (.45)?

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by masraum

What are good prices for Sig 226 (9mm), Sig 229 (9mm), and Sig 220 (.45)?

And add to that list an old Sig p210.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Thems fightin’ words tabs. Metal body Sigs of all flavors are worth while. Sweet operating guns one and all.

That one surprised me too. Sig 220 is built like an old school Mercedes-Benz. That's probably why it's made in Germany, lol!

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by masraum

What are good prices for Sig 226 (9mm), Sig 229 (9mm), and Sig 220 (.45)?

All over the map. German or US made? SAS, rail, stainless, nickel, two tone? I have seven of the old W. German ones at the moment. Hard to find them anymore for under $800, even beaters. The US ones can sometimes be had cheaper, especially if police turn-ins. Cheapest one I ever snagged was a P226R for $495. Oh no, wait. I got a P229 police turn-in for $395 from CDNN. Both I sent to Robar for NP3. But you'll not find those deals anymore. You just cannot beat the old W. German-stamped classic P-series guns. Nothing better out there.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Thems fightin’ words tabs. Metal body Sigs of all flavors are worth while. Sweet operating guns one and all.

my P232 Was metal body and very finicky bout ammo and limpwristing, which quite frankly is not what you want from such type of concealed or back up pistol.
Sure I didn't limpwrist but many people who tried it had stove pipes with it. Just standing and shooting, nothing dynamic..

Lets say you need it in a hurry, and you are incapacitted some how.
You want a gun that will cycle no matter what, no matter how hot or cold or old your ammo is
that P232 won't.

It was nice looking, but to be fair I think it was overengineered.
too many little parts and springs..
I'de be hesitant to ever again pay the additional cost SIGs go for.

it shot like an extension of my hand.. natural aim. on the move, draw, blamblam at 15 yards I'de have the first little left and low and follow up smack center.
It was very pretty to, but Never trusted it because I knew it would stovepipe in certain situations...

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

All over the map. German or US made? SAS, rail, stainless, nickel, two tone? I have seven of the old W. German ones at the moment. Hard to find them anymore for under $800, even beaters. The US ones can sometimes be had cheaper, especially if police turn-ins. Cheapest one I ever snagged was a P226R for $495. Oh no, wait. I got a P229 police turn-in for $395 from CDNN. Both I sent to Robar for NP3. But you'll not find those deals anymore. You just cannot beat the old W. German-stamped classic P-series guns. Nothing better out there.

Right, I assume German made is more expensive than US made.

I also know that there are basic and more premium models.

I guess I was thinking something like
"Basic US models probably start at $xxx these days and go up from there"
etc...
Presumably, finding anything @395 or 495 these days is highly unlikely.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by masraum

What are good prices for Sig 226 (9mm), Sig 229 (9mm), and Sig 220 (.45)?

A couple of years ago there was a glut of surplus 220s on the market (and 226 and 229), a buddy who moved this time last year was wanting to sell a 220 he refinished (nicely) for $500. Hit me a PM if you want me to reach out to him (he's a few hours away, but USPS delivers!)

[Seahawk]

Mr. Higgins MADE me buy a Ruger Vaquero (he insisted on stainless and .45 Colt) many years ago.

He was right. It is the most practical weapon I own.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

All over the map. German or US made? SAS, rail, stainless, nickel, two tone? I have seven of the old W. German ones at the moment. Hard to find them anymore for under $800, even beaters. The US ones can sometimes be had cheaper, especially if police turn-ins. Cheapest one I ever snagged was a P226R for $495. Oh no, wait. I got a P229 police turn-in for $395 from CDNN. Both I sent to Robar for NP3. But you'll not find those deals anymore. You just cannot beat the old W. German-stamped classic P-series guns. Nothing better out there.

Nothin but NOTHIN beats a SIG stamped MADE IN SWITZERLAND. As a shooter I have one stamped MADE IN AMERICA..

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Mr. Higgins MADE me buy a Ruger Vaquero (he insisted on stainless and .45 Colt) many years ago.

He was right. It is the most practical weapon I own.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

A trio of Interarms "Virginian Dragoons", manufactured in Alexandria, VA from the mid '70's to the mid '80's. I always thought these to be a better gun than the Ruger Blackhawk with which they were meant to compete. Better machining, finer finishes, smoother actions, and generally more accurate. Alas, they were half again the price, and were only made for about a decade.

Top to bottom, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .45 Colt:



The .44 mag with a Ruger Blackhawk for comparison:



Not all that evident in the photo above is the larger grip on the Dragoon. Much more comfortable with heavy magnum loads, especially for guys with bigger hands:



The Dragoons are old school single action, with four hammer clicks with the second click being the load/unload position. Like original Colts, only safe to carry with five rounds, with an empty chamber under the hammer. Unlike the old Colts, they did us the favor of marking one chamber to make it easier to line the empty one up under the hammer:





One of my favorite single actions. I wish they still made them.

What's the pull weight on that SA? The pull on my 686 in SA is ridiculous.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

What's the pull weight on that SA? The pull on my 686 in SA is ridiculous.

All three are in the two to two and a half pound range. No tuning, no lightened springs, none of that. That good right out of the box. Crisp as can be as well. Better than any new Colt SAA, which I always go through and tune, along with installing Wolfe spring kits with reduced hammer springs and music wire trigger/bolt springs. Unlike the "two screw" Rugers, there is no transfer bar to lift when the trigger is pulled, so the pulls are much better than the Rugers.

Funny you would say that about your 686. My S&W's have about the best factory trigger pulls I've ever seen. My Python is right up there with them, and all are better than anything possible in any single action. The geometry, leverage, hammer fall, and all of that are superior in those double actions, leading to inherently better trigger pulls. I wonder what's up with your 686...

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by masraum

Right, I assume German made is more expensive than US made.

I also know that there are basic and more premium models.

I guess I was thinking something like
"Basic US models probably start at $xxx these days and go up from there"
etc...
Presumably, finding anything @395 or 495 these days is highly unlikely.

Guessing you're looking at $600-$900 for most of these, depending on finish and other features. My next one will be a P227 SAS, but not until the right deal comes along. That's a $900 gun, but I only buy when the price is almost too good to be true. If it's something I need, I'll pay what it costs. Otherwise, it has to be a smoking deal. And I just don't need more.

[Solamar]

My newest -

Pair of Diana Mod 5 Luftpistoles

I found the post-war history fascinating, factory was bombed to bits and the Brits took what was left (tooling and trademarked name "Diana") as reparations which MilBro bought and commenced manufacturing in Scotland.

Apparently Diana quickly rebuilt the factory in Rastatt Germany and continued designing and manufacturing air guns. But, they could not use the "Diana" name outside Germany (sold private labeled by Winchester, Hy Score, "Original" and RWS).



The wood gripped Mod 5 is fairly rare. Newly designed post war and only produced from 1958 to 1962. The gray plastic gripped Mod 5 followed (mines dated 1968) then a brown plastic grip through the 70's.

I re-sealed both (fairly easy) as the original main seals turn to dust. Fantastic shooters!






I think their logo is pretty cool, Diana, Greek goddess of the hunt, tossing her bow and arrow to the ground, raising a rifle.