Interesting facts about EV use.

[stevej37]

I won't try to repeat everything....but some surprising facts.

https://news.yahoo.com/evs-only-displaced-2-days-213000155.html

[IROC]

That's partly because I am skewing the data by daily-driving a 25 year-old Land Cruiser that gets 15 mpg on a good day.

[stevej37]

For all the news that you hear about EV's....it's amazing (to me) how miniscule their numbers are.

[daepp]

And no one ever seems to take into account the carbon required to manufacture an EV for (mostly Californian) buyers who usually could have just kept driving their perfectly good ICE vehicle...

[gregpark]

Originally Posted by stevej37

For all the news that you hear about EV's....it's amazing (to me) how miniscule their numbers are.

Every other car is an EV here

[stevej37]

^^^
Here...I think it's less than 1% in MI
(I'm prob way too high on that)

[stevej37]

I just googled it....I was way too high.

Michigan by the numbers

- Percentage of registered vehicles that are electric: 0.13%

[IROC]

Originally Posted by daepp

And no one ever seems to take into account the carbon required to manufacture an EV for (mostly Californian) buyers who usually could have just kept driving their perfectly good ICE vehicle...

Not no one. Lots of people are looking into this. Here's one report:

https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2015/11/Cleaner-Cars-from-Cradle-to-Grave-full-report.pdf

[hbueno]

Just found this site. I can't vouch for it, but they report EV registrations by state.

https://electrek.co/2022/08/24/current-ev-registrations-in-the-us-how-does-your-state-stack-up/

[ADDvanced]

I'm just going to say my 22 year old hybrid (Honda Insight) has 285k miles, and the original battery still works. Secret is grid charging w a trickle charger to keep everything perfectly balanced. Is the capacity the same as new? No, obv. But people who generally attack EVs are full of **** and complain that batteries won't last, but that is not proving to be the case. There are some Teslas with CRAZY high miles with like 85%+ capacity on the original battery.

[hbueno]

My daughter has a 2010 Prius with 95,000 miles. Admittedly it's low miles for its age, but the battery pack is still A-OK.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by stevej37

I won't try to repeat everything....but some surprising facts.

https://news.yahoo.com/evs-only-displaced-2-days-213000155.html

Displaced only 2 days worth of gas use....

Was it worth it for all the open pit mining for lanthanides and other rare earth metals?

How about the recycling of the batteries by third world countries....?


Should have just invested in diesel efficiency.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by hbueno

My daughter has a 2010 Prius with 95,000 miles. Admittedly it's low miles for its age, but the battery pack is still A-OK.

Batteries are rated on cycles....

[Mahler9th]

The train is on the tracks.

It is about the ducats.

[wdfifteen]

This again?
Sigh...

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Displaced only 2 days worth of gas use....

Was it worth it for all the open pit mining for lanthanides and other rare earth metals?

How about the recycling of the batteries by third world countries....?


Should have just invested in diesel efficiency.

You missed the point. Try reading the article again.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

You missed the point. Try reading the article again.

The point that batteries suck as a 19th century tech and yet still are used... the pipedream the it's better than hydrocarbons.... what about the real costs of EV....
Let alone the elephant in the room... EV are only as green as the electricity that they use....

Reread what i wrote and lmk if you have questions....

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

The point that batteries suck as a 19th century tech and yet still are used... the pipedream the it's better than hydrocarbons.... what about the real costs of EV....
Let alone the elephant in the room... EV are only as green as the electricity that they use....

Reread what i wrote and lmk if you have questions....

Again, my 22 year old hybrid with 300k miles says you don't know what you're talking about. Got 64mpg on my last trip into the city to buy a set of wheels. Car has paid for itself several times over.

Not that I expect someone of your mindset to ever acknowledge not being an expert in all things. I would put good money that you're also a constitutional historian*, geopolitical scholar*, microbiologist*, or scientist*, depending on the week, amirite?

*: with absolutely zero formal education or real world experience in any of these fields

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

Again, my 22 year old hybrid with 300k miles says you don't know what you're talking about. Got 64mpg on my last trip into the city to buy a set of wheels. Car has paid for itself several times over.

Not that I expect someone of your mindset to ever acknowledge not being an expert in all things. I would put good money that you're also a constitutional historian*, geopolitical scholar*, microbiologist*, or scientist*, depending on the week, amirite?

*: with absolutely zero formal education or real world experience in any of these fields

Ah..Were you ever curious what the metal of the "nickel metal hydride" battery that your hybrid uses? lanthanum....

Wanna see a lanthanum strip mine?... And this is a US based one.



As for the 64 mpg... that's cool. My ALH diesel achieves mid 40's without a battery pack and on a mechanical injection pump. My mk6 TDI got high 40's with the MPG robbing tune. Could you imagine a diesel hybrid?... yeah that would be really really cool.


Now since I'm done tearing down your straw man argument about your hybrid that you threw out. Let's discuss what I mentioned... About EV!
In the previous post:

EV are only as green as the electricity that they use

Was it worth it for all the open pit mining for lanthanides and other rare earth metals?

How about the recycling of the batteries by third world countries....?

As for expert in things. I'm not much, nor am I that smart. Only 1 publication atm.
Formal education has taught me a few things and tricks. My greatest strengths are orgo/solid state synthesis and sniffing out leftists BS.

[CurtEgerer]