Dad want me to have pistol. Do I need permit first?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

The only thing I'd be concerned about is how you transport it. I'd go for vehicle trunk in a piece of luggage. If you carry ammo put it in a different location and keep mags unloaded.

And FFS don't consent to a search of the vehicle.

LOL!

Of course, if a regular old guy like one of us gets pulled over and for some reason the cop wants to search our vehicle. If you decline, I suspect that's just going to make the cop more curious. The cop is then likely to waste as much of your time as possible, at least until the end of his shift. He's getting paid either way. I feel like I've seen videos where a cop wanted to search and the driver said no, and that then turned into a multi-hour fun fest on the side of the freeway.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by KC911

I'm pretty sure everybody I've ever known has technically violated "gun laws" and speed laws .... and only fint and folks in CA and NJ, etc. have to worry about real consequences. Only on the Internet ....

I've also had sex without being married and smoked weed ....

Don't tell Barney

Fint is pretty careful to evaluate risk versus reward. While the risk of getting caught is low, gun charges are pretty stiff. Even a one-in-a million chance is too much when following the law is easy. Speeding withing certain parameters is low risk. At a very high speed, not so much.

A military or Federal employee risks jail time (and loss of their career/pension) for smoking marijuana...so awfully risky for some. Sex without being married to a person is pretty fraught with risk as well...especially if married to someone else. Remember John Wayne Bobbitt?

When I have been "in trouble"...it has always been where there was a miniscule chance of being caught and a fairly large set of accompanying repercussions. I take large risks where there are large rewards.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KC911

What flavor of spoon?

Taurus Millenium G2 9mm

Not too exotic.

[matthewb0051]

^^^^

Oh, you are 100% right Steve. It is totally a double edged sword.

Its like the state dependent rule as to whether you have to tell the police you are carrying. Some are yes and some are no. I think it better to keep your hands on the wheel and just say, yes and it is on my right hip or wherever. Assuming you aren't rolling dirty or shouldn't be carrying.

I've had some interesting cases since our state law changed to allow everyone to conceal carry w/o license. For several months the cops had no idea how to interpret the new law nor how to enforce violations (which could still exist).

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Taurus Millenium G2 9mm

Not too exotic.

You'll be wanting a better trigger. The G2C has such a long pull, I've had a few times where I didn't even fire a round.

When I got my first G2C it had a threaded barrel that cost more than the used gun it was on. Lakewood or something.

Sadly, they are all at the bottom of the San Antonio river after a boating incident.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Fint is pretty careful to evaluate risk versus reward. While the risk of getting caught is low, gun charges are pretty stiff. Even a one-in-a million chance is too much when following the law is easy. Speeding withing certain parameters is low risk. At a very high speed, not so much.

A military or Federal employee risks jail time (and loss of their career/pension) for smoking marijuana...so awfully risky for some. Sex without being married to a person is pretty fraught with risk as well...especially if married to someone else. Remember John Wayne Bobbitt?

When I have been "in trouble"...it has always been where there was a miniscule chance of being caught and a fairly large set of accompanying repercussions. I take large risks where there are large rewards.

Of the tens of thousands of pistols that have been handed from father to son, I wonder how many involved a permit?

If yer not legally married in NC, sex is illegal (or used to be... also any position other than "missionary")

Speeding more than 15 over the limit is "lose your license" by NC law (technically).

The list of stupid, and virtually unenforcable laws is laughable and the citizens just ignore them....

And I still recall your assertion that teens in the military (and particularly the Air Force) don't illegally drink beer .

I don't sweat the small stuff and Bob doesn't have to worry one iota about taking his dad's pistol home....

There is a large Imu on the loose here in NC ... cops have their hands full .

Enjoy your spoon Bob ...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

The only thing I'd be concerned about is how you transport it. I'd go for vehicle trunk in a piece of luggage. If you carry ammo put it in a different location and keep mags unloaded.

And FFS don't consent to a search of the vehicle.

Best advice yet. This is legal in virtually every state. And a giant "hell yeah" to refusing consent to a search.

Originally Posted by masraum

LOL!

Of course, if a regular old guy like one of us gets pulled over and for some reason the cop wants to search our vehicle. If you decline, I suspect that's just going to make the cop more curious. The cop is then likely to waste as much of your time as possible, at least until the end of his shift. He's getting paid either way. I feel like I've seen videos where a cop wanted to search and the driver said no, and that then turned into a multi-hour fun fest on the side of the freeway.

Sure, if one is unaware of one's rights. Under NO circumstances should one consent to a search of any kind. Any search an officer can legally conduct must, unless we give explicit permission, be accompanied by a warrant. Without exception.

And, no, they cannot hold you unless they are officially "detaining" you. There are legal parameters for that. Prior to telling you very specifically, in very clear language that you are being lawfully detained, the officer must provide you with a "Reasonably Articulated Suspicion", or "RAS", outlining why they are detaining you. This still does not allow them to search without permission.

They may only detain you for a "reasonable" amount of time, after which you are free to leave, unless they have arrested you. A "reasonable" amount of time has been ruled by the SCOTUS themselves to be around 10-15 minutes. During which they cannot search you or your vehicle, nor do you even have to speak to them. And it's best you do not. The only thing your lawyer will advise you say this whole time is to periodically ask "am I free to go?" After ten or fifteen minutes, you are, unless they arrest you. Even then, they will need to obtain a warrant to search your car, which must delineate exactly what they are looking for.

Be polite, treat them with respect, be friendly, but be firm. They know the rules. They are just hoping you do not. Once it become clear that you do, and you're not acting like a dick and antagonizing them, most will let you go. Thank them for their service, shake their hand, and be on your way.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Best advice yet. This is legal in virtually every state. And a giant "hell yeah" to refusing consent to a search.



Sure, if one is unaware of one's rights. Under NO circumstances should one consent to a search of any kind. Any search an officer can legally conduct must, unless we give explicit permission, be accompanied by a warrant. Without exception.

And, no, they cannot hold you unless they are officially "detaining" you. There are legal parameters for that. Prior to telling you very specifically, in very clear language that you are being lawfully detained, the officer must provide you with a "Reasonably Articulated Suspicion", or "RAS", outlining why they are detaining you. This still does not allow them to search without permission.

They may only detain you for a "reasonable" amount of time, after which you are free to leave, unless they have arrested you. A "reasonable" amount of time has been ruled by the SCOTUS themselves to be around 10-15 minutes. During which they cannot search you or your vehicle, nor do you even have to speak to them. And it's best you do not. The only thing your lawyer will advise you say this whole time is to periodically ask "am I free to go?" After ten or fifteen minutes, you are, unless they arrest you. Even then, they will need to obtain a warrant to search your car, which must delineate exactly what they are looking for.

Be polite, treat them with respect, be friendly, but be firm. They know the rules. They are just hoping you do not. Once it become clear that you do, and you're not acting like a dick and antagonizing them, most will let you go. Thank them for their service, shake their hand, and be on your way.

Interesting.

I've never had anyone want to search my car since I started driving, and I've been pulled over a time or two or maybe a bit more.

Anytime that I've ever dealt with the police, it's always "yes, sir" or "no, sir" from my end.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by masraum

Interesting.

I've never had anyone want to search my car since I started driving, and I've been pulled over a time or two or maybe a bit more.

Anytime that I've ever dealt with the police, it's always "yes, sir" or "no, sir" from my end.

I'm a "yes sir", "no sir", hands on the steering wheel guy too..... because 99% of them are good guys doing a tough job. But I've seen that 1% first hand too. Though Jeff is correct, I play it by ear....

Once I got pulled over on I-95 heading down on a Fri. to go to a football game.... I was going 71 in a 55, and he wrote out the ticket and then started the questions.... you got anything illegal, dead bodies, anything you shouldn't have? I said nope ... (of course I had my .45 ACP in the trunk...). As we were getting ready to part, I said, sort of sarcastically.... "You know, you've really gotten my weekend off to a great start" ....

He said.... "Maybe" and scribbled "Warning" in big letters on it (this was a real ticket, not a warning tix) and told me to have a great weekend .

Respect is a two way street ..... I've been given a few tix, been told to slow it down even more times.... it's just their job.

[Jeff Higgins]

Yup, absolutely - polite respect at all times. "Yessir" or "yes ma'm", hands on the wheel in plain sight until asked to do something, seatbelt still buckled. If asked for license and registration, "sir, they are in the glovebox. May I unbuckle and retrieve them?" It always starts at that level. Usually ends there as well. The few times it has deviated from that path have been, 100% of the time, initiated by the cop, not me. Yes, respect is a two way street.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by KC911

Of the tens of thousands of pistols that have been handed from father to son, I wonder how many involved a permit?

If yer not legally married in NC, sex is illegal (or used to be... also any position other than "missionary")

Speeding more than 15 over the limit is "lose your license" by NC law (technically). The guy in the Porsche might just be the one they want to make an example of.

The list of stupid, and virtually unenforcable laws is laughable and the citizens just ignore them....

And I still recall your assertion that teens in the military (and particularly the Air Force) don't illegally drink beer .

I don't sweat the small stuff and Bob doesn't have to worry one iota about taking his dad's pistol home....

There is a large Imu on the loose here in NC ... cops have their hands full .

Enjoy your spoon Bob ...

Beats me, but if driving around with Ohio plates and a Yankee accent, I am pretty sure the good old boy from NC act will not go well.

That is why I don't speed over 15 in NC or over 80 in VA. Both seem enforceable to me.

I don't think there is a lot of underage drinking in the AF. I spent over 40 years in the service and only knew one personally that was caught doing so (and he was discharged). I know I never did after enlisting. Of course, the drinking age was 18 when I joined. The penalty is just too high if caught.

Anyone caught for having a gun that they did not acquire legally would likely be caught more by accident than police campaign to find that gun. Car crash, theft, forgetting it somewhere, etc...or dumbassery. There was a guy that left his in his hotel room nightstand after he checked out that I recall.

Once again, I am pretty sure the OP could have figured out how to get the gun home illegally without asking here. I think he wanted to know how to do it legally (which is why that was my answer).

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I certainly would stay out of Virginia if you have a spoon or a radar detector of any sort with you. Most other states follow the constitution.

Huh? VA has open carry and car carry sans permit. I lived there for 13 yrs and was asked for my permit once during a traffic stop. I had cops stick their heads in my window to talk and never notice my radar detector. That fine is voluntary too. If you contest it, it gets dropped so it can't get appealed to a higher court.

[KFC911]

Laws that are totally asinine and totally unenforcable the VAST majority of the time deserve to be ignored imo. A father unable to give a pistol to his 65ish year old son to take back home is one. Bob will figure this out ... just like virtually everyone else has .

Wanted .... dead or alive:

The Imu

[Bob Kontak]

Made it to Ohio. No problemo.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Made it to Ohio. No problemo.

Did you get Ronnie to smuggle it in one of his body cavities?

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Made it to Ohio. No problemo.

Good deal 👍

[KFC911]

^^^^ Whew... I just knew you were gonna hit that Imu that's on the lam !

[fintstone]

Congrats! Now that you have successfully smuggled a illegally obtained firearm across state lines and into Ohio you are eligible for the big leagues. What is next, knocking over a convenience store or tearing the tags off of mattresses?

[stevej37]

I saw the billboards.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Congrats! Now that you have successfully smuggled a illegally obtained firearm across state lines and into Ohio you are eligible for the big leagues. What is next, knocking over a convenience store or tearing the tags off of mattresses?

Mebbe he'll give a teen in the Military a beer?

If he can actually find one that drinks beer .

They'd be a lot easier to find than ANY cop or DA that would give a crap about either .