Alec Baldwin Will Be Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Killing

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I don't think Baldwin is guilty of anything as an actor, but as a producer, he could certainly be responsible. I don't know what his actual responsibilities were on Rust as a producer. The court can sort that out. There's a different protocol on movie sets vs "real life," and many here don't want to accept that. Again, for the courts to decide.

I think the armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed is worthless and the most responsible, along with David Halls, who broke set protocol and handed Baldwin the pistol, saying it was cold. He took a plea deal. In my opinion, he and Reed are by far the most responsible.

This is my feeling as well.

[Zeke]

The people who handled the gun on the set are culpable. I'd even donate the the AB defense fund.
He's gonna go through a lot of money needlessly. And most likely a career ruined.

I never liked the guy, but I like the circumstances much less.

Why do OP's post links to paywalls? Just to waste our time?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Just from my armchair I would think Alec Baldwin the producer would have to accept responsibility.

I said something different. Check my post or watch out for a horse head in your bed, Bob…

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I said something different. Check my post or watch out for a horse head in your bed, Bob…

All good. I was thinking you would just invite me on a fishing trip to the lake like they did with Fredo.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, I agree.

[matthewb0051]

I borrowed this from a NM attorney's website:

Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation.

I'd say he's got a problem that isn't going away easily. That is in his capacity as the actor. As the producer... he is probably liable in a civil matter as well.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Well done!
Brilliant!
Somebody gets it!

Baldwin the producer AND Baldwin the callous disregard for life person have responsibilities which are completely different issues.

One should have maintained a safe environment, etc., the other should not be pointing guns and pulling triggers.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Baldwin the producer AND Baldwin the callous disregard for life person have responsibilities which are completely different issues.

One should have maintained a safe environment, etc., the other should not be pointing guns and pulling triggers.

I believe he was responding to my green font comment and was embellishing a touch.

[Jeff Higgins]

We beat this horse to death, and rolled him over and started on the other side, in at least two other threads. You all know my position by now.

Just let me say, now that he has been charged, that I feel these are appropriate charges. Let's just hope he gets an appropriate sentence. He has shown no remorse. Quite the opposite - he has demonstrated, quite convincingly, that the only thing he cares about in all of this is Alec Baldwin. I hope the judge considers that when sentencing him.

[sc_rufctr]

I'm getting the feeling that AB brought this on himself when he claimed he didn't pull the trigger.

Maybe the idiot should have kept his mouth shut or listened to his lawyers.
- I doubt any competent lawyer would encourage their client to make a public statement about something like this.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

All good. I was thinking you would just invite me on a fishing trip to the lake like they did with Fredo.

First you get a big kiss. California style...

[Por_sha911]

I suspect that the charges have been already negotiated in a back room deal with the DA. Everything going forward is all scripted with reduced sentencing.

[speeder]

We'll see how tough this New Mexico DA is...she looks to be really, really tough. I predict that she will reject a plea agreement with no jail time for AB or the armorer and take her chances in court. There are just mountains of evidence that they were extremely negligent on that set and it's documented before the shooting occurred.

He's fk'ed.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

I borrowed this from a NM attorney's website:

Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation.

I'd say he's got a problem that isn't going away easily. That is in his capacity as the actor. As the producer... he is probably liable in a civil matter as well.

His biggest civil liability has already been settled, that being with the victims's family.

[rfuerst911sc]

Regarding the armourer . After the tragedy happened she stated she wasn't on set/premises when it happened . She stated she locked up the weapon in her trailer and went to lunch .

She said when she came back from lunch the gun was no longer in her trailer . If any of that is accurate , and we don't know if any is true is she still responsible for the accident ? Or is the person/s that removed the gun from her trailer responsible ? I honestly don't know .

If the rules on set are the armourer is the ONLY person to handle weapons and someone bypasses the rule I think she gets off . Ultimately the producer is at the top of the food chain and is responsible for everything on set .

[NY65912]

Someone please explain to me how and why live ammo was on set at all. With modern effects/tech why would it be necessary at all?

I know nothing of the film industry or their protocols involving weapons but it seems stupid to have anything live on set.

Just my .02˘

[oldE]

Originally Posted by NY65912

Someone please explain to me how and why live ammo was on set at all. With modern effects/tech why would it be necessary at all?

I know nothing of the film industry or their protocols involving weapons but it seems stupid to have anything live on set.

Just my .02˘

Is this a valid question given the number of people who carry?

Best
Les

[URY914]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Maybe the idiot should have kept his mouth shut or listened to his lawyers.
- I doubt any competent lawyer would encourage their client to make a public statement about something like this.

I've watched enough Law & Order to learn you need to keep your mouth shut and listen and let your lawyer do the talking. AB went on every podcast and TV news magazine that would have him and wined and played the pity party game. His statements will be used against him.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

I mean if that's a possibility, they should just move to fake weapons and sound effects... it's probably not manageable anymore... Still, the actor ? I mean it's Alec baldwin - imagine if it was Ana de Armas or charlize Theron ? I don't think they'd charge her.

Do you suppose Baldwin might have been charged with a more serious offense had it been de Armas or Theron who he shot and killed?

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[Crowbob]

I think one of several crew-members who had previously walked off after complaining of unsafe conditions at some point switched out some ammo before they left. They had hoped the armorer would have discovered the live ammo thus bolstering their claims of unsafe conditions. However, the best laid plans often go awry as happened here. Somebody got killed.

Apparently, an examination of the box of blanks used to load the firearm disclosed a few live rounds. As such, my guess is the dummy rounds were switched prior to being loaded into the gun.

It will be interesting to learn if the DA’s investigation was able to document the chain of custody of the firearm.

[greglepore]

Baldwin hung himself on 60 Minutes. I don't have the animus towards the man and his views that some here have, but he went on TV and claimed he never pulled the trigger. He stated that he released the hammer from a cocked or half cock and the gun discharged. ATF/FBI testing demonstrated that the gun wouldn't discharge if you did that. And AB stated directly that he was trained never to pull the trigger when aimed towards someone.
So maybe he's genuinely confused, but a competent prosecutor will argue that a) he knew it was negligent to pull trigger while pointed at someone, blanks or no; and b) he's lying about how the gun discharged, evidence of his guilty state of mind.