Amazon rain forest was terraformed??

[BK911]

Lots of evidence to suggest multiple cities with >100k population existing way back when.
Really cool stuff starting to emerge.

[red-beard]

Read a book called 1491. It is about pre-Columbus in North and South America.

One interesting fact, the population in the Western Hemisphere peaked at around 70M, somewhere before 1000AD. Somewhere between then and the arrival of the Spanish, the population of the entire Western Hemisphere dropped to 7M. Yes, one tenth of the peak.

I wonder if some of the Viking ships that made it to North America accidentally released a few plague infested rats. That could account for the population loss and the timing.

If Columbus and Amerigo and Cortez had encountered populations 10 times larger, they might have had more issues defeating the local populations.

[Rusty Heap]

Look no further than the Mayan and Aztec civilizations. huge 100 acre cities that the jungle reclaimed.

I love going to mexico and Belize to tour jungle ruins only 20% excavated.

[masraum]

Some of the tech that they came up with to grow things was amazing. Up in the mountains where it got cold at night, they had crops planted with lots of water like canals or moats around and through the crops. At night, the water kept the crops warm.
In the Amazon, the soil is crap, but they managed to "treat" the soil in ways that made it super fertile for crops. Then, of course, there were the amazing buildings that were built all through the area. Stuff that is astounding today.

So often modern man looks back at "primitive" man and thinks "they must have been super primitive, but they managed some amazing feats that baffle us today.

[red-beard]

The reality is the Spanish encountered a stone age culture. No wheel, beasts of burden, nor workings with anything but soft metal.

[flatbutt]

Since people were able to build pyramids with ropes, inclined planes and sheer muscle power I wouldn't be surprised by terra forming.

[red-beard]

Yep. The Egyptian pyramids were built with stone age technology.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by red-beard

The reality is the Spanish encountered a stone age culture. No wheel, beasts of burden, nor workings with anything but soft metal.

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Since people were able to build pyramids with ropes, inclined planes and sheer muscle power I wouldn't be surprised by terra forming.

Right. And Stone Age is true, but doesn't necessarily mean primitive (assuming primitive is taken to mean "no advanced thought, engineering ability, etc....").

Just because a civilization didn't have steel or certain specific technological advancements, didn't mean that they didn't have complex culture, language, mathematical concepts, engineering ability, etc....

Math and engineering don't require steel. Working with stone doesn't necessarily require steel implements. Ancient groups performed some pretty amazing feats with "primitive" tools, but, I think, lots of knowledge.

Just as there are folks that are born with off the charts physical abilities, music, visual art, linguistic, etc... there are, and, I suspect always have been folks that were born with a natural ability to think/reason far outside of the avg person's ability. I'm sure that just as there have been folks like Albert Einstein, Ben Franklin, and Leonardo da Vinci, I'm sure that ancient times also had similar folks that were able to do amazing things with the limited resources available to them. Just look at the pyramids, stonehenge, etc....

[ramonesfreak]

We don’t know that (pyramids built with stone age tech) for sure do we?

[BK911]

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak

We don’t know that (pyramids built with stone age tech) for sure do we?

Interesting video.
And dozens of others that go into more detail about the theory of a past intelligent civilization wiped out by the great flood.
IMO, no doubt that we are descendants of the domesticated chimpanzees from the survivors of the cataclysm ~12,000 years ago.
No doubt.
And the lost technology?
Sound and vibration.
No doubt.

[ramonesfreak]

I have no idea what to believe but I do enjoy hearing all the theories

Thankfully Joe likes this stuff, and physics, or I would likely not have time or interest to search these theories out at this point in my old age

[GH85Carrera]

Rogan loves guests with wild ass guesses and theories about just about every subject. It is popular with his listeners, and he will keep having crazy theory guests as it makes him more money.

So sure, ancient extraterrestrial aliens terraformed the rain forests and taught humans how to build pyramids and all the rest. Sure, whatever makes you happy.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak

We don’t know that (pyramids built with stone age tech) for sure do we?

Originally Posted by BK911

Interesting video.
And dozens of others that go into more detail about the theory of a past intelligent civilization wiped out by the great flood.
IMO, no doubt that we are descendants of the domesticated chimpanzees from the survivors of the cataclysm ~12,000 years ago.
No doubt.
And the lost technology?
Sound and vibration.
No doubt.

The guy talking to Joe in that video, Andrew Schultz, is a hilarious comedian.



And some of his funniest stuff is his crowd work. I'd love to have that ability. I just don't have it in me to roast people and have them laugh about it. I'm sure with training/practice I could get better at it, but I don't think I'd ever be good at it.



So I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into any serious subject that he opines on. Although, when I've watched his comedy, I got the impression that he wasn't stupid.

[ramonesfreak]

I agree...that video was low on content...Joe has many other videos with actual scientist and anthropologist guests...i shouldn't have posted that one

[BK911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Rogan loves guests with wild ass guesses and theories about just about every subject. It is popular with his listeners, and he will keep having crazy theory guests as it makes him more money.

So sure, ancient extraterrestrial aliens terraformed the rain forests and taught humans how to build pyramids and all the rest. Sure, whatever makes you happy.

Not what I said.
No ETs. Well, maybe.
But definite signs of technology that was more advanced than us in certain areas.
Especially megalithic structures.
Some (many) structures had MUCH more advanced abilities than the structures built on top.
Sticking fingers in your ears doesn't negate these facts.

[Tobra]

They apparently had some sort of soil amendment to make the crappy soil sustain agriculture. We have not figured that out yet. May have finally figured out why Roman cement was superior to anything we do now.

Most tech improves with time. Egyptian architecture is one of a number of thingswent the opposite direction for some reason

[masraum]

Originally Posted by BK911

Not what I said.
No ETs. Well, maybe.
But definite signs of technology that was more advanced than us in certain areas.
Especially megalithic structures.
Some (many) structures had MUCH more advanced abilities than the structures built on top.
Sticking fingers in your ears doesn't negate these facts.

I don't think that's that unusal, especially back then when things were far less global. While I think man has traveled farther and more widely in the past than many historians expected, I think it was more unusual, and the greatest knowledge of various civilizations didn't necessarily travel.

So if there was a civilization with the knowledge to do X, Y, and Z at a very high level, and that civilization fell, the next civilization or a civilization in another geographic area may not, likely didn't have access to that advanced knowledge. So things get lost.

Think about it, there's still a ton of stuff where modern man with all of his tech and abilities isn't entirely sure how ancient man made items or performed tasks, and yet, they did because we have proof. Aliens? Unlikely. Geniuses and polymaths from ancient times that came up with ways of doing things that have been forgotten? Absolutely!

I think modern man grossly underestimates ancient man frequently or nearly as a matter of course.

Some folks question those boundaries and some of those ideas are starting to crumble, but I think for the most part, a lot of folks still cling to some of the ideas that we "knew" despite evidence that seems to contradict them (even if we still don't have a complete picture, because we don't know what we don't know).

[KFC911]

I don't question the ancients .... but have a lot of doubts about some of the currents

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tobra

They apparently had some sort of soil amendment to make the crappy soil sustain agriculture. We have not figured that out yet. May have finally figured out why Roman cement was superior to anything we do now.

Most tech improves with time. Egyptian architecture is one of a number of thingswent the opposite direction for some reason

Right, I've seen some shows/videos on that in the past.

I haven't had a chance to watch these, but...

[GH85Carrera]

The people from 10,000 to 20,000 years ago are just as smart and intelligent as modern humans, and likely much smarter than many modern peoples today. They are no different than us. They just don't have the advantage of the accumulated knowledge we have now. It is very easy to underestimate the knowledge of those humans as just dumb cave men. Pretty much every decisions they made was life or death with no Mulligans or do overs.



This is just 358 years ago, but every era likely had a Newton, or Aristotle. We just don't know about them as they are lost to history.