Tourist mini sub missing off titanic

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Saw that yesterday. Not sure its real.

I just watched that video. Oh man, if that is a real transcript then those people knew something was wrong and they were hearing cracking sounds. That would really suck knowing something was happening as opposed to a sudden implosion without any warning.

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[Zeke]

Originally Posted by jyl

I really wonder what human remains were found and if any are being recovered. Let’s call it scientific curiosity.

Video, "Thanks for watching. If you enjoyed this video...."


Sick muthrfckr.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

I just watched that video. Oh man, if that is a real transcript then those people knew something was wrong and they were hearing cracking sounds. That would really suck knowing something was happening as opposed to a sudden implosion without any warning.

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I'm thinking it's real because of the terms/lingo used are correct.
A hacker would have used something else.

[HobieMarty]

I like how he breaks down the time stamps and the recorded depths, sounds like they were descending faster than they normally would have and I wonder why?

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[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

I like how he breaks down the time stamps and the recorded depths, sounds like they were descending faster than they normally would have and I wonder why?

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The fact that they couldn’t ascend may fit with the fast descent.

Initially, I wondered if the passengers said something like, “we will give a generous tip if you can get us an extra hour at the titanic by getting there a bit faster…”

[Steve Carlton]

"We'd like to spend a little extra time at the bottom."

[RNajarian]

When I heard about this tragedy, like everyone following the story, I certainly did feel for the families who lost loved ones. I would’ve thought there was some comfort knowing that the implosion occurred so suddenly that the victims didn’t know what happened.

Unfortunately this video, if true, shows that the crew knew there was something seriously wrong going on, and for 19 minutes they may have realized that they were in serious trouble.

The cramped quarters along with the unexplained creaking noises must have been terrifying.

[pmax]

[Racerbvd]

[otto_kretschmer]

There are a lot of fluff videos out there about this accident. The psychologist youtubers I can do without. This guy is an engineer so he's worth watching.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

His thoughts on the hull damage/cracking warning system that Rush used are the same as mine, and probably most people who know even the basics about composites - it was essentially an alarm that would let you know that you were moments away from death, and nothing more. Interesting how the guy in the video referred to it as safety theater, which is about a perfect description.

[HobieMarty]

https://youtu.be/gy6rVH4fh5M

In this video he, (Jeff), goes over the waiver you would sign to go on that deathturd.
No way ever would I have signed that thing. It is astounding that people would spend that amount of money for a chance to put themselves at such a risk, oh and by the way, if anything happens to them, absolutely no one can sue Oceangate. You basically assume all the risk yourself and Oceangate is off the hook if anything goes sideways, and people would actually sign this and go for a ride. Unfreakingbeliveable to say the least!!!

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[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

.... if anything happens to them, absolutely no one can sue Oceangate.

Not true.
This comes up often in aviation forums.
Signing a waiver can limit the signer's ability to sue, but it does not prohibit a non-signer from filing suit.
In other words, expect lawsuits from the families of those that perished.
They did not sign a waiver, and the actions of OceanGate took away their family member, the one that most likely provided for them financially.

Even if the waiver says "your family cannot sue us", that phrase is not valid legally.
Bottom line: You cannot sign away the rights of others.

[unclebilly]

^^^ I’m pretty sure none of the passengers on board will be filing a suit…

What I do find interesting about this is that these passengers considered themselves as adventurous and pushing the boundaries but I just considered them to be rich posers… boy was I wrong.

[HobieMarty]

Okay so you're saying the waiver won't hold water?

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[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

Okay so you're saying the waiver won't hold water?

Okay, that was funny!

OceanGate Attorney: "Our waiver is as watertight as our subs!"

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

^^^ I’m pretty sure none of the passengers on board will be filing a suit…

What I do find interesting about this is that these passengers considered themselves as adventurous and pushing the boundaries but I just considered them to be rich posers… boy was I wrong.

they werent pushing any boundaries though.

its it well known and understood how to build submarines to visit the titanic. just because stockton rush didnt do it the right way, doesnt mean he was pushing boundaries.


if stockton rush wanted to push actual boundaries, he could have invented new ways to inspect carbon fiber structures to measure their strength. he could have invented new modeling techniques to understand and mathematically model the effects on composite materials. he could have had the sub properly tested and classed, and convinced the world that he was right.

he didnt.

he was a cheap moron selling 'innovation' to moron billionaires

and for people who were paying attention, he told on himself constantly. even oceangates marketing materials openly proclaim stuff that is telling on yourself.

[fisher22]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

he was a cheap moron selling 'innovation' to moron billionaires

That’s the best evaluation of the entire situation and subsequent disaster.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

they werent pushing any boundaries though.

its it well known and understood how to build submarines to visit the titanic. just because stockton rush didnt do it the right way, doesnt mean he was pushing boundaries.


if stockton rush wanted to push actual boundaries, he could have invented new ways to inspect carbon fiber structures to measure their strength. he could have invented new modeling techniques to understand and mathematically model the effects on composite materials. he could have had the sub properly tested and classed, and convinced the world that he was right.

he didnt.

he was a cheap moron selling 'innovation' to moron billionaires

and for people who were paying attention, he told on himself constantly. even oceangates marketing materials openly proclaim stuff that is telling on yourself.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by fisher22

That’s the best evaluation of the entire situation and subsequent disaster.

in one of he marketing videos for ocean gate they talked about how exciting and innovative and involved the "mission specialists" are with an example of how when they got to wreck, the controls for forward would spin the sub.

and they established, oh yeah, we put on of the thrusters in backwards, so instead of both thrusters firing, and moving the sub forward, they would fire in opposite directions and spin the sub.

after looking into how to re-map the controller, and all sorts of things they figured out that actually with such a configuration of thrusters, you can just turn the controller 90 degrees, so that left is now forward, and old forward is now right, and it works.

seems clever and exciting right? involved! exploration! edge of technically possible right?

wrong.

whats the first you do you when you hook up a motor to a controller ... make sure it spins the right direction.



this example is telling on themselves, its incompetence masquerading as a technical challenge.

there was a suggestion of a rocket example ... its closer to this than challenger: