Rust armorer found guilty

[speeder]

Or as one commenter put it, “if the scene called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head and cock the hammer, do you think that he might ask for it to be double checked or check it himself?”

[john70t]

Hollywood law isn't even a idea that should be in consideration with criminal law.
Any company could write rules to automatically blame the janitor. That is internal only to them. Contracts and procedures on paper.
It shouldn't matter.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

The way I see it, Baldwin is far more responsible for the woman's death than the armorer is and should therefor suffer a much harsher penalty; were I to be horsing around with a "prop gun", behind the scenes, and decided to aim and fire it at someone like I was a ten year old playing army, and I did so without first verifying that my toy was not actually loaded with anything (including blanks/big noise makers), then I would expect to have the book thrown at my dumb, negligent ass, and rightly so.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

How does one become the person in charge of firearms when you have a prior history with drugs and rehab?? They did do a nice job of trying to normalize her for the jury by getting rid of the clown hair though!

I didn't even recognize her!

[rfuerst911sc]

If I'm not mistaken Baldwins trial is supposed to start within the next 6 months .

[flatbutt]

And still after all this time no one can tell us how a live round got loaded?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

Funny I would say she was supposed to be the most powerful person involved when it came to anything related to weapons on set and with an experienced armor this would've never happened

It appears that she was chosen for her inexperience

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

And still after all this time no one can tell us how a live round got loaded?

I'm guessing the story behind that would make ALL of them look worse/more guilty.

[Cairo94507]

Baldwin is ultimately responsible; he failed to inspect the weapon when it was handed to him. You never accept a gun from someone without personally verifying whether it is loaded or not. He should be convicted and I hope he is.

[red-beard]

I think this is appropriate. She was in charge of the "prop" weapons (actual weapon but supposed to be with fake cartridges). My understanding was she was not present on set at the time. Yet she left the props out. And at other times allowed them to be used as real weapons with real cartridges.

Baldwin also shares some responsibility both as actor and Producer. As producer, he cheaped out on getting a proper crew. He wasn't paying the crew properly, which lead to chaos on the set.
And While some of the people on this board who are in the business claim the actor isn't responsible for a firearm check, I believe anyone handed a firearm should personally check the condition. Anyone handling one should be taught how. Baldwin was negligent and is also guilty.
And the director is guilty as well, since he was improperly handling firearms.

[Bugsinrugs]

Can anyone explain why there were live rounds on the set??? What was the purpose?

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

Can anyone explain why there were live rounds on the set??? What was the purpose?

Unfortunately it was because the rules were loosy goosy and unqualified people were in charge . One found guilty the next trial slated for May .

[craigster59]

The bottom line is the buck stops with her. She failed in her job.

To those who feel that AB didn't do his due diligence when handed the firearm, the next time you fly into a city and go to the car rental counter, insist that they put the car up on the lift so you can personally inspect brake lines, ball joints, steering and any other components that could fail and cause an accident.

I mean why trust the rental company, who you are paying, to make sure everything is safe and in working order before driving off.

[berettafan]

Craigster i think the confusion we see in this thread can be expected in a courtroom if this is a jury trial. If i'm AB i'm probably a little nervous about that.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by craigster59

The bottom line is the buck stops with her. She failed in her job.

To those who feel that AB didn't do his due diligence when handed the firearm, the next time you fly into a city and go to the car rental counter, insist that they put the car up on the lift so you can personally inspect brake lines, ball joints, steering and any other components that could fail and cause an accident.

I mean why trust the rental company, who you are paying, to make sure everything is safe and in working order before driving off.

Absolute nonsense. There is no equivalency between a firearm and a car. We covered this a couple of years ago in the context of a race car driver being expected to inspect their own car prior to a race, and put it to bed then. It failed to pass even the most cursory examination then, and it failed again today.

You keep going to the same well. The attempt to compare a man handling a firearm to someone getting in a car is absolutely ludicrous. Guns are different than anything else we handle and their rules are, therefor, necessarily different as well. And so painfully simple that even Hollywood actors should be able to abide by them. It would have taken less than two or three seconds to inspect that gun.

[The Synergizer]

All I know is that IMO Halyna Hutchins was the innocent of the three. Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed both failed.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

Can anyone explain why there were live rounds on the set??? What was the purpose?

Hals put it in the chamber when he took the pistol from the trailer... Pleads out and will hang those around him...

Perfect Murder.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

If I'm not mistaken Baldwins trial is supposed to start within the next 6 months .

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Unfortunately it was because the rules were loosy goosy and unqualified people were in charge . One found guilty the next trial slated for May .

Baldwin's trial scheduled for July, Rick.....

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

Can anyone explain why there were live rounds on the set??? What was the purpose?

No purpose. The situation appeared to be that there was live ammunition on the ranch. How it got mixed in is anyone's theory. There were a lot of pissed off people there for some reason and I can guess. But would that come to sabotage? I think it did.

But the responsibility, even if someone planted live rounds, is still going to come to the person in charge of guns. It got pretty screwed up, didn't it? Now to try Baldwin is the next fiasco.

But we beat that to death a year or so ago so no need to start that again. Just go find the thread and comment there. I'll refrain.

[john70t]

Actor not responsible. Elevate to the armourer. What about elevating it even further up to management?

Baldwin was responsible for reviewing the competency, the hiring the amourer, and maintaining site safety environment.
As Producer/Director he oversaw the crews and responsible for everything.
That she wasn't even on an active set is on him as well. They should have stopped um shooting for the day, or hired a replacement armourer.

No love for AB here. Not when he wants to impose restrictions on others, while owning and making money off the culture.