Baltimore Bridge collapse

[70SATMan]

In a handbasket!

[craigster59]

Well, it's not every day someone is named Baltimore's FBI Field Supervisor and that night a cargo ship takes down a major bridge shutting down the ports. What are the odds?

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/william-j-delbagno-named-special-agent-in-charge-of-the-baltimore-field-office

[Baz]

My recommendation is to click on the "settings" icon (looks like a little sprocket) and adjust the playback speed to 2X......

[Heel n Toe]

... the lights on the bridge weren't (for the most part) moving. It was a construction zone.

Dunno if this has been reported here, but tonight on the news they said there was some kind of alert sent out by the ship that let the police know the ship had lost control.

It gave enough time for them to get in position to prevent any more vehicles from coming onto the bridge... and there was enough time for those on the bridge to get off. Supposedly, the work crew were the only ones left when it went down.

This video shows a good many vehicles were crossing right up until a very short time before the impact. Start watching about 56 seconds in... it's sped up, but you get the idea...

[KFC911]

[QUOTE=LEAKYSEALS951;12220700]Since when did PPOT become a news source as good as other corporate news product?


Yep ... any breaking news will likely be posted here before I see it on the "news"!

Unfortunately, I also read a bunch of political BS here too ... and I just don't watch "some" news at all .

Damn Paul .... give it a rest or take it where it belongs ...

The Pool And Recreation Forum .....

[DaveE]

[QUOTE=KC911;12220889]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

Since when did PPOT become a news source as good as other corporate news product?


Yep ... any breaking news will likely be posted here before I see it on the "news"!

Unfortunately, I also read a bunch of political BS here too ... and I just don't watch "some" news at all .

Damn Paul .... give it a rest or take it where it belongs ...

The Pool And Recreation Forum .....

Should have been called what it is, The Conspiracy Theory Forum.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

I also was wondering why the bridge pylons didn't have any protection around them especially being a busy port.

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Cause they're useless against something the size of a ship. Those barriers around the power poles are there to protect against errant pleasure craft and nefarious actors. If something half the size of the Dali hit one, it'd wipe it out instantly. OTOH, the bridge pylons easily survive a pleasure craft strike.
Been in and out of their many times under sail, have seen them up close.

And yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out bad actors. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but the timing of this days on after a terror attack in RU that Putin blames on us is somewhat intriguing.

[BK911]

I dont know man, it just smells fishy.
Lost power right at the perfect time to ram the bridge.
Slightly off course, so power restored, engines on, and turned slightly to better align with bridge.
Power off again.
Hit the bridge with the exact tool needed (big heavy cargo ship), at exactly the right angle, speed and location to completely destroy the bridge.
Too many lightning bolts hitting at the exact place and time needed for this to happen by chance.
Not saying it was, just saying.

[stevej37]

It wasn't the same ship (Evergreen) that couldn't manage the Suez Canal....but maybe the same captain.

[Sooner or later]

Multiple sources are saying the same thing. Harbor pilots were operating the ship at the time of the wreck.

"The owners of Singapore-flagged container ship “Dali”, which was involved in the incident, said the vessel collided with a pillar of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore while under pilotage with two pilots on board. All crew members, including"

[rfuerst911sc]

^^^ Yep that's what this article says .

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/baltimore-bridge-collapse-port-pilots-onboard-were-us-locals-says-firm-that-manages-stricken-ship

[greglepore]

It makes no difference who is operating the ship if the powerplant fails at low speed. No rudder steerage below a specific minimum speed, you steer with prop differential or tugs below that design speed. So if the powerplant is disabled below say 5 knots or whatever, you're adrift. And at even 3-4 knots a container ship goes a LONG way with just residual drift and packs a lot of energy if it hits something.

[hcoles]

Originally Posted by BK911

I dont know man, it just smells fishy.
Lost power right at the perfect time to ram the bridge.
Slightly off course, so power restored, engines on, and turned slightly to better align with bridge.
Power off again.
Hit the bridge with the exact tool needed (big heavy cargo ship), at exactly the right angle, speed and location to completely destroy the bridge.
Too many lightning bolts hitting at the exact place and time needed for this to happen by chance.
Not saying it was, just saying.

Re. what are the odds. If the power out happens 5-10 before or after the ship doesn't hit the bridge. The ship operates for years and an unexpected failure happens at just the right time for a disaster. I think there is a law that covers this - starts with "M".

[Sooner or later]

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Originally Posted by greglepore

It makes no difference who is operating the ship if the powerplant fails at low speed. No rudder steerage below a specific minimum speed, you steer with prop differential or tugs below that design speed. So if the powerplant is disabled below say 5 knots or whatever, you're adrift. And at even 3-4 knots a container ship goes a LONG way with just residual drift and packs a lot of energy if it hits something.

I made the pilot response to counter that it was "maybe the same captain ".

They had power outages for a currently unknown reason. The ships pilots/crew attempted to minimize damage by taking several evasive actions. They knew that serious trouble was most likely unstoppable so they called in the warning. Law enforcement acted quickly and stopped traffic which minimized the number of deaths.

[Jolly Amaranto]

[Sooner or later]

Thank you, Jolly.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Multiple sources are saying the same thing. Harbor pilots were operating the ship at the time of the wreck.

Harbor pilots always guide the vessels in and out of port. That said, I think the captain of the ship still has responsibility over it.

We have several ports in the Charleston area and I cross two or three bridges daily to get to my destinations. Made me think twice today.

[Tim L]

"Prop walk" caused the ship to turn into the bridge support.

[KRLocke]

I've been over this bridge hundreds of times to see my dad. Tragic day for everyone. And hard to believe these ships don't have redundant power systems.

[911 Rod]

Apparently the ship did not lose power. The lights flickered because at that point they went full reverse and drained all the power to the electrical system. Like how your lights flicker when the microwave turns on.

I'm surprised the ship stopped at the pillar and didn't just keep going. This tells me that bollards would could stop a ship.