Drone counter measures

[red 928]

Pull ....

[rcooled]

Seen at the entrance to the Pebble Beach Concours d' Elegance.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by DavidI

We used law enforcement ranges and fired at Department-owned drones. We fired with shotguns (12 gauge 00 Buck), .308, .223, and a specialized round that opened up with a net. Even our best shooters were unable to strike a moving drone.

The variables with distance, height, and angles made the shots almost impossible.

We also printed 3D 40mm ordnance-dropping devices that attached to drones, similar to what is being used in Ukraine, to drop inert explosives over targets. It was scary how simple it was to do and how devastating the results could be.

I fear that it is only a matter of time before it becomes an issue in the US.

US has very successfully regulated (banned) devices with rapid expansions.
Molotov cocktails… not so much.

[Rusty Heap]

I recently flew my drone around your house.............really, some people you just don't want to see Naked coming out of the Shower...............and you should get that red pubic rash looked at soon.............

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by stevej37

I've found the best counter for drone is to drop it down a gear and get those revs up over 3500.

hmmm.....

[wdfifteen]

^^
That looks like a video game.

[unclebilly]

Has anyone seen those toroidal blades for drones? More lift and way quieter.




Well they can be quieter if properly designed according to MIT.

[jyl]

Ukraine and Israel have a lot of experience shooting down drones. I am curious what they have learned.

One tidbit I read was that in Ukraine, their tanks and IFVs are often accompanied by mobile anti-aircraft platforms (Gepards), because otherwise Russian drones can take out even main battle tanks (Leopards, Abrams), and the Ukrainians similarly have destroyed a lot of Russian armor with drones.

[Wetwork]

I've been thinking of loading up TTS shotgun shells. 70 yard range #9 shot I kinda think a have a good chance at knocking one down but I'm a wingshooter, if I can drop greenwing teal I can probably hit a drone. But some of the racing FPV drones go over two hundred miles a hour and are pretty nimble so it would sure suck if it was life and death. If you were defending against more than one you'd be toast. I'm talking as civilian of course, and in a law-less situation.

At the present time, any drone under 250g doesn't have to be registered yet. I can fly my Mini2 for about 30 min straight and about a mile away, but I have to use a spotter with binos to be legal, as I loose sight of the fist sized thing after about 300 yards. Pretty sure in the next year of so my DJI Mini will get the ban hammer so it'll be a paperweight.

Without large amounts of electricity, and dangerous energy transmissions I don't think a civilian has access to anything that can drop drones? Mark my words they will be a terror for everyone at some point. It's a personal guided missle.-WW

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by jyl

One tidbit I read was that in Ukraine, their tanks and IFVs are often accompanied by mobile anti-aircraft platforms (Gepards), because otherwise Russian drones can take out even main battle tanks (Leopards, Abrams), and the Ukrainians similarly have destroyed a lot of Russian armor with drones.

"Destroy" is not the accurate term for small drone on armor: Disable is.

We are actively working the armed, expendable drone requirements with a company that knows Army requirements.

Again, this is a big deal: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/30/these-are-7-anti-drone-weapons-us-military-plans-invest.html

[911 Rod]

I can't even shoot a duck, never mind a drone.

[Sooner or later]

Col. Pat Costello, director of Army Futures Command’s Air and Missile Defense Cross Functional Team, said, “Nowhere during my career have I seen such transformation across a branch.”

Countering drones is a problem without one single solution, he said. The Army needs “to be agile in our processes and in our thoughts to keep up with the rapidly evolving threat,” he said.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/6/1/army-transforms-integrated-air-missile-defense-capabilities

Army Futures Command’s Air and Missile Defense Cross Functional Team is based at Ft Sill. Lawton bought the local mall and has set it up for hosting companies working on this Cross Functional Team's requirements. The city calls it FISTA,. Multiple companies have space where they can work together along with Sill for Futures development. I believe there are seven CF Team's. Two of which are based at Sill.

City has done hell of a job putting it together.

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[red 928]

Originally Posted by jyl

Ukraine and Israel have a lot of experience shooting down drones. I am curious what they have learned.
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They learned that it is easy to shoot down a $60k drone
with a $2 million missile.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

I can't even shoot a duck, never mind a drone.

There's videos of rooskies shooting down Ukrainian drones with small arms... I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see the vidyas myself.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

"Destroy" is not the accurate term for small drone on armor: Disable is.

We are actively working the armed, expendable drone requirements with a company that knows Army requirements.

Again, this is a big deal: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/30/these-are-7-anti-drone-weapons-us-military-plans-invest.html

1)
*Drop a grenade into an open hatch*

2)
You said that already. lol

3)
A boot time the US knocked off a Russian jammer. *note* OCT 2022 Article
https://armyrecognition.com/defense_news_october_2022_global_security_army_ind ustry/russian_troops_successfully_use_harpoon-3_anti-drone_systems_in_ukraine.html

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by red 928

They learned that it is easy to shoot down a $60k drone
with a $2 million missile.

*COUGH* patriot

[flipper35]

I am sure it is not illegal to shoot a gun in the air if you are not in town. The need to qualify their statements.

Otherwise, shooting clays, pheasant hunting and all would be illegal.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by red 928

They learned that it is easy to shoot down a $60k drone
with a $2 million missile.

We call them airborne IEDs...asymmetric warfare at it's best, or worse, depending.

Things have changed and we are adapting, late as always.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by flipper35

I am sure it is not illegal to shoot a gun in the air if you are not in town. The need to qualify their statements.

Otherwise, shooting clays, pheasant hunting and all would be illegal.

LOL .... and every single shot I've ever taken was "in the air" .... angles do matter

[Tobra]

My understanding is that they are not supposed to be flying below a certain altitude, higher than I would worry about. That being the case, if it is low enough to be taken down, it is not being operated legally. If it is not being operated legally, they sort of forfeit their legal protection

That Pebble Beach no drones sign was a waste of paint, not legally enforceable.