FAFO - idiot kid vs cops gets an instant life lesson

[Mike80911]

I wish we had body cameras when I was on patrol. Would have been helpful in false excessive force complaints. That cop did everything right. He took him to the ground put him in cuffs and stopped using any physical force. He did not strike him after he was subdued hell he really never struck him at all just took him down and put him in cuffs. He did not have to wait for that idiot to make good on his threats before defending himself. If I had a Nickle for every time some idiot said "take that badge off and let's see what happens" I'd be rich. What do these idiots think taking the badge off would change? You are still a police officer whether you have a badge or in this case a vest on so what difference would that make. The cop in the video seems to me to be the type of person that you want in the PD. He never lost his composer and even after everything accepted the apology and said he did not take it personally. That is the trouble with some officers they take it as a personal attack and that is where things go to *****.
My son's best friend who I know his entire life is a NYC police officer. He was just shot a few weeks ago while wrestling on the ground with an illegal alien he was trying to arrest. Thank God the bullet went straight through and did not hit a major artery. I have the body cam video of the shooting maybe I will post it one day, but it is on YouTube also. The whole time they are fighting on the ground the perp is screaming and then he manages to pull his gun and start shooting hitting one cop in the leg and the other in his chest thank God he had his vest on.
You never know what will happen when you are dealing with someone in a tense situation. This ADULT in the video could easily have struck the cop in the face with the brass knuckles at any time. Not sure of the laws in that state but in NY possessing brass knuckles is a crime in and of itself.

[red 928]

Originally Posted by Dixie

Lol, what are you, twelve? It's okay to disagree with me, but your post brings nothing. It doesn't even make you look smart like you hoped.

Yes, younger than you. Not a stretch.
Don't like the meme huh?
Not exactly the attention you are searching for?
let's try it again:

I respectfully disagree with every point you
made in your post,
and am disappointed that there are people in this
world who would somehow reach the opinions you did.

Your post represents what is wrong with this country in that
idiots prevail and get rewarded for behaving badly by juries
with a collective double digit IQ.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by red 928

Not exactly the attention you are searching for?

Quote of the year.

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Mike80911

I wish we had body cameras when I was on patrol. Would have been helpful in false excessive force complaints. That cop did everything right. He took him to the ground put him in cuffs and stopped using any physical force. He did not strike him after he was subdued hell he really never struck him at all just took him down and put him in cuffs. He did not have to wait for that idiot to make good on his threats before defending himself. If I had a Nickle for every time some idiot said "take that badge off and let's see what happens" I'd be rich. What do these idiots think taking the badge off would change? You are still a police officer whether you have a badge or in this case a vest on so what difference would that make. The cop in the video seems to me to be the type of person that you want in the PD. He never lost his composer and even after everything accepted the apology and said he did not take it personally. That is the trouble with some officers they take it as a personal attack and that is where things go to *****.
My son's best friend who I know his entire life is a NYC police officer. He was just shot a few weeks ago while wrestling on the ground with an illegal alien he was trying to arrest. Thank God the bullet went straight through and did not hit a major artery. I have the body cam video of the shooting maybe I will post it one day, but it is on YouTube also. The whole time they are fighting on the ground the perp is screaming and then he manages to pull his gun and start shooting hitting one cop in the leg and the other in his chest thank God he had his vest on.
You never know what will happen when you are dealing with someone in a tense situation. This ADULT in the video could easily have struck the cop in the face with the brass knuckles at any time. Not sure of the laws in that state but in NY possessing brass knuckles is a crime in and of itself.

Mike, thank you for your service! I am very happy your son's best friend survived. It's a dangerous world out there and some are willing to kill. I agree with you on every point.

Rock on, David

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Do the laws vary among states? Some vids the police suck it up and others they slam them hard.

The law is never articulated.

You mean that first amendment law? Supreme Court has ruled cops are subject to comment by the public at any time and any response other than polite indifference is retaliatory and illegal.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by red 928

Yes, younger than you. Not a stretch.
Don't like the meme huh?
Not exactly the attention you are searching for?
let's try it again:

I respectfully disagree with every point you
made in your post,
and am disappointed that there are people in this
world who would somehow reach the opinions you did.

Your post represents what is wrong with this country in that
idiots prevail and get rewarded for behaving badly by juries
with a collective double digit IQ.

With your opinion about me, and everything else you post, Im reassured that my values and character are impeccable. After all, I'm not like you at all.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

You mean that first amendment law? Supreme Court has ruled cops are subject to comment by the public at any time and any response other than polite indifference is retaliatory and illegal.

True but the 1st does not protect all speech, specifically threats. Like I posted earlier, threatening someone while having the means at your disposal to carry out said threat is considered assault in CA. It's a crime. Threatening to run someone over while sitting behind the wheel of a vehicle, threatening to beat someone up while in their physical vicinity, threatening to shoot someone, etc. All crimes and not protected speech under the 1st amendment.

It's a good idea to thoroughly understand the amendments to the Constitution before exercising your rights under them.

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by speeder

True but the 1st does not protect all speech, specifically threats. Like I posted earlier, threatening someone while having the means at your disposal to carry out said threat is considered assault in CA. It's a crime. Threatening to run someone over while sitting behind the wheel of a vehicle, threatening to beat someone up while in their physical vicinity, threatening to shoot someone, etc. All crimes and not protected speech under the 1st amendment.

It's a good idea to thoroughly understand the amendments to the Constitution before exercising your rights under them.

Yes, that is in part why I used the word comment, because threats, as you say, that, to a reasonable person, could be understood as actionable, that is, having the means to carry out such threats, would not be considered speech. This is the nuance that most often sees the courtroom. But in general, crass comments, hyperbole, and rhetoric are at the disposal of the speaker when addressing an officer; not advisable, but also not illegal.

[crb07]

Originally Posted by Mike80911

I wish we had body cameras when I was on patrol. Would have been helpful in false excessive force complaints. That cop did everything right. He took him to the ground put him in cuffs and stopped using any physical force. He did not strike him after he was subdued hell he really never struck him at all just took him down and put him in cuffs. He did not have to wait for that idiot to make good on his threats before defending himself. If I had a Nickle for every time some idiot said "take that badge off and let's see what happens" I'd be rich. What do these idiots think taking the badge off would change? You are still a police officer whether you have a badge or in this case a vest on so what difference would that make. The cop in the video seems to me to be the type of person that you want in the PD. He never lost his composer and even after everything accepted the apology and said he did not take it personally. That is the trouble with some officers they take it as a personal attack and that is where things go to *****.
My son's best friend who I know his entire life is a NYC police officer. He was just shot a few weeks ago while wrestling on the ground with an illegal alien he was trying to arrest. Thank God the bullet went straight through and did not hit a major artery. I have the body cam video of the shooting maybe I will post it one day, but it is on YouTube also. The whole time they are fighting on the ground the perp is screaming and then he manages to pull his gun and start shooting hitting one cop in the leg and the other in his chest thank God he had his vest on.
You never know what will happen when you are dealing with someone in a tense situation. This ADULT in the video could easily have struck the cop in the face with the brass knuckles at any time. Not sure of the laws in that state but in NY possessing brass knuckles is a crime in and of itself.

Good post by yourself and Speeder. On target. Those that think the police officer acted poorly need to re-evaluate. Essentially a good training video.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by crb07

Good post by yourself and Speeder. On target. Those that think the police officer acted poorly need to re-evaluate. Essentially a good training video.

If only all LEOs were like our Pelican brothers.... and that one too

The 20 year old "bully" ... got taught a life lesson .... which he might not learn. Don't bring brass knuckles to a battle of IQs ... or street smarts .

[Heel n Toe]

I went to YouTube to see if there was any info in the description on whether the kid was lying about not having been drinking, but there was nothing.

Then I went to the comments... So worth it.

This little dude is the living proof of what Tyson said
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it".
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To get laid down like a little baby in front of your boys, after talking all that s**t, pretty much means you shouldn’t show your face around there for about a year or two from sheer embarrassment.
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Imagine having that much misplaced confidence.
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He went from tough guy to "im a minor" and "please sir" real fast. This guys going to learn every lesson in life the hard way.
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When you order a Gangster from ****.
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Swept his leg then held him like the child he is as he put him on the ground. Freaking hilarious!!! Then his brother screaming like a little girl. Priceless.
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That Officer did 20 years worth of parenting in 5 minutes.
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It wasn't the slam that he wanted; but it was the slam that he needed.
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"Can i just say something to my son?" No dude, you've had 20 years to say something.
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"Only one person gets to come say goodbye?!?".
This little kid has lived a life of no consequences. Welcome to the real world.
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That lil peanut said, “let’s get it, like you ain’t a *****” and then he was helped to the ground saying “I’m a minor” and he’s actually 20…. And then his brother “puberty Pete” is schreeching like a little girl. I think this is my favorite body cam video ever! This video made my day!
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The brothers voice squeaking while trying to sound tough was absolutely hilarious.
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I love cop’s smile right before he took him down.
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The cop saved this kids life. If no one checked him he’d be dead by 30. You can’t go through this world acting like that^
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As my grandpa would say “He dropped that punk like a sack of taters”

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

You mean that first amendment law? Supreme Court has ruled cops are subject to comment by the public at any time and any response other than polite indifference is retaliatory and illegal.

Thank you.

I can see the logic. I don't like the extremes showing disrespect but that's my problem.

[VINMAN]

Good job on the cop. Little douchebag got exactly what he deserved. Talking *****, then making an aggressive move towards the PO. The brother should have got knocked on his ass next.

As far as what CP said about "children" I agree. The 20yos of today are children. They don't have the maturity of the 20yos of my time. But yeah hes technically a grown adult ad should be treated as such.

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[DavidI]

Dixie, although you and I differ regarding our thoughts regarding this incident, I respect your opinion. This is the greatest country to ever exist in the world, America, and everyone should be allowed to voice his/her opinion! I most surely do not want law enforcement to trash our Constitution and violate the civil rights of our people. We need to continually evaluate and re-evaluate how our communities, peace officers, and military conduct themselves. As a society, we need to assess what our expectations are during life.

This youngster crossed the line by challenging the officer and then taking actions (moving toward the officer) that would lead a reasonably trained officer to believe that he was going to be assaulted. In addition, there are laws that clearly define that an officer does not have to retreat or backdown in the performance of his/her duty. We NEVER want a repeat of the coward officers involved in the Uvalde incident.

There is also "proportional force" which means that the force a law enforcement officer employs shall be in proportion to the acts and/or crime of the suspect involved. In this case, a takedown and resisted handcuffing are well within that doctrine.

We also evaluate the officer's conduct that lead up to the use of force. For example, did the officer's conduct appear to provoke or cause the use of force? In this case, the officer continually attempted to de-escalate the situation to avoid using force. When the incident became dangerous, he employed minimal force to overcome the resistance of the youngster.

Life lesson taught to the youngster and to those who viewed the video and can learn from other's mistakes.

Rock on, David

[Sooner or later]

Excellent response, David.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Mike80911

I wish we had body cameras when I was on patrol. Would have been helpful in false excessive force complaints. That cop did everything right. He took him to the ground put him in cuffs and stopped using any physical force. He did not strike him after he was subdued hell he really never struck him at all just took him down and put him in cuffs. He did not have to wait for that idiot to make good on his threats before defending himself. If I had a Nickle for every time some idiot said "take that badge off and let's see what happens" I'd be rich. What do these idiots think taking the badge off would change? You are still a police officer whether you have a badge or in this case a vest on so what difference would that make. The cop in the video seems to me to be the type of person that you want in the PD. He never lost his composer and even after everything accepted the apology and said he did not take it personally. That is the trouble with some officers they take it as a personal attack and that is where things go to *****.
My son's best friend who I know his entire life is a NYC police officer. He was just shot a few weeks ago while wrestling on the ground with an illegal alien he was trying to arrest. Thank God the bullet went straight through and did not hit a major artery. I have the body cam video of the shooting maybe I will post it one day, but it is on YouTube also. The whole time they are fighting on the ground the perp is screaming and then he manages to pull his gun and start shooting hitting one cop in the leg and the other in his chest thank God he had his vest on.
You never know what will happen when you are dealing with someone in a tense situation. This ADULT in the video could easily have struck the cop in the face with the brass knuckles at any time. Not sure of the laws in that state but in NY possessing brass knuckles is a crime in and of itself.

Originally Posted by DavidI

Mike, thank you for your service! I am very happy your son's best friend survived. It's a dangerous world out there and some are willing to kill. I agree with you on every point.

Rock on, David

Very thankful for all LEO! In my opinion, some of the most important people/jobs out there, LEO, Military, and other First Responders. I have nothing but respect for all folks that do/can pursue those jobs. Sure, there are "bad" examples of all of them. Any time there are "people" involved, there will be bad examples regardless of what the group is. If there aren't then the group is too small.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

Yes, that is in part why I used the word comment, because threats, as you say, that, to a reasonable person, could be understood as actionable, that is, having the means to carry out such threats, would not be considered speech. This is the nuance that most often sees the courtroom. But in general, crass comments, hyperbole, and rhetoric are at the disposal of the speaker when addressing an officer; not advisable, but also not illegal.

Agree. There are actually plenty of examples where free speech is allowed under the law but not advisable.

[Steve Carlton]

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Thank you.

I can see the logic. I don't like the extremes showing disrespect but that's my problem.

It's real easy to be respectful. Just as easy to walk away when some is disrespectful to you. I don't have time for people like that. Walk away and find someone else to work with. Some people are so small/weak they see confrontation as the only measure of bigness/strength.

On the other hand, a Marine I know once exclaimed (not to me mind you, we shared too many good waves) "don't mistake my politeness for weakness." Sergeant (staff or gunnery, I forget) in Vietnam. You knew what side of the beating you'd be on if you pissed him off, but you had to work hard to do that.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by DavidI

Dixie, although you and I differ regarding our thoughts regarding this incident, I respect your opinion.

I didn't say the kid wasn't a jerk. He is/was.

Maybe it's just a gender thing. I see y'all, high on testosterone, chest thumping, vicariously kicking a lil ass. (Or in some cases reliving the glory days you never had.)

As a woman I can't do that. I tend to look at these incidents as if they involve my loved ones, and not some nefarious threat.

And yes, admitting that makes me kinda ill because y'all will run all stupid with it until it's not a damn bit close to what I meant. Then I'll be all pissed off at only having myself to blame for trying to explain ***** that y'all don't want to hear.

...Not that I don't appreciate y'all, lol