I'm getting my FFL.

[Rick Lee]

I'm not going to do any gunsmithing beyond site or trigger install stuff.

And no armorer can stop someone from ignoring rule number one of gun safety.

[Rick Lee]

And the first neighborhood Karen is making a fuss over the notification letter I was required to send to my nearby neighbors. This should be fun.

[Rick Lee]

Oh my, this whole thing is going off the rails. It appears the neighborhood Karen has been coordinating an opposition effort to bombard the City with complaints. I got five emailed to me today, two of which were from people not even on the list I had to send notification letters to, so they'd not have otherwise known about it. Some of the emails were very well written and passionate. But most were totally ignorant of the law, thought I was going to be running a brick and mortar gun store out of my house, said it endangered their kids, there'd be shootings, crazed people knocking on doors, accidental discharges, you name it. Total lunacy. I fear my application is doomed. Once I have nothing to lose, I will contact another ATF investigator I know handles a neighbor's FFL, who was not required to go through this BS. I don't want to go around my guy, but I'm just about at the point of having nothing to lose. Such Karens in this place. One is even a nextdoor neighbor and said he's afraid to walk around with his kids. I've been here 15 yrs, he's been here for four yrs. Never a complaint. WTF?

[911boost]

I would be very hard pressed not to make their actions have consequences.

Neighbors can be such *******s.

[Rick Lee]

I don't know how I'd get even with them, not that I'm looking for suggestions. But I'll be keeping a list of the Karens and refer back to it if they ever need a zoning permit or run for an HOA office or even help airing up their tires.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Sorry Rick, people suck. As ignorant as the average American is about guns (especially in the city), they are even more ignorant about gun laws. Legally I suspect you could buy and sell private party out of your home without any FFL (you can in KS), technically the FFL makes it more regulated and therefore “safer”, at least in Karen-speak. But as always ignorance wins the day.

[masraum]

There's always some crazy wanker that wants to feel important. What a pain in the aß!

They do realize that you are in AZ, right?

Good luck, and sorry if it doesn't work out.

[KFC911]

I'd shoot their cactus and leave it laying across their driveway. If selling outta yer house bugs her ... go out by the pool or on the patio

Good luck Rick!

[Rot 911]

Yet another reason not to live in an HOA

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by KC911

I'd shoot their cactus and leave it laying across their driveway.

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Oh my, this whole thing is going off the rails. It appears the neighborhood Karen has been coordinating an opposition effort to bombard the City with complaints. I got five emailed to me today, two of which were from people not even on the list I had to send notification letters to, so they'd not have otherwise known about it. Some of the emails were very well written and passionate. But most were totally ignorant of the law, thought I was going to be running a brick and mortar gun store out of my house, said it endangered their kids, there'd be shootings, crazed people knocking on doors, accidental discharges, you name it. Total lunacy. I fear my application is doomed. Once I have nothing to lose, I will contact another ATF investigator I know handles a neighbor's FFL, who was not required to go through this BS. I don't want to go around my guy, but I'm just about at the point of having nothing to lose. Such Karens in this place. One is even a nextdoor neighbor and said he's afraid to walk around with his kids. I've been here 15 yrs, he's been here for four yrs. Never a complaint. WTF?

AZ is loaded with entitled boomers. Nuisance.

rjp

[Rick Lee]

Actually, the HOA is not the problem here. They're silent on the matter and follow state and city law. But it's the HOA-Karen-types who are the problem. I got another avalanche of protest emails today. I responded to all of them. Two of the emails I responded to last night replied with a heartfelt thanks, but I didn't change anything with them. I discovered another home-based FFL in the HOA today, a woman, called her and she was happy to talk, said she also had never heard of the permit, but did online-only sales.

The real chutzpah award goes to the furniture builder down the street, who sent a protest email today. Every single thing this man does trips the permit requirement, and he said he had never heard of it. Since I asked him about it, he now keeps his garage door closed and has covered up the garage door windows with foil. His operation, though not name or address, will definitely be included in my remarks at my hearing this week .... as this whole plan goes down in flames.

Oh well, I had a KILLER week at work so far, finished the year off very strong, sold off a guitar and amp for top dollar and, well, I'll be fine.

[Rick Lee]

Well, well, well, I just stumbled upon the furniture builder's FB page, which then took me to his very nice website listing his inventory and pricing, all of it photographed in his driveway or house. If this isn't a retail business, I don't know what is. Again, no beef at all with what he's doing, but he does NOT (edit) have the permit for it and every single aspect of his business activity trips the requirement for it. I have to assume his wife sent that letter without his knowledge, as he just could not be so two-faced and think I wouldn't mention his operation as an example of very selective enforcement.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Well, well, well, I just stumbled upon the furniture builder's FB page, which then took me to his very nice website listing his inventory and pricing, all of it photographed in his driveway or house. If this isn't a retail business, I don't know what is. Again, no beef at all with what he's doing, but he does NOT (edit) have the permit for it and every single aspect of his business activity trips the requirement for it. I have to assume his wife sent that letter without his knowledge, as he just could not be so two-faced and think I wouldn't mention his operation as an example of very selective enforcement.

It would be nice if you could use the various businesses that you're aware of as leverage, but I'm sure that wouldn't actually help you and would just screw those other folks over. It's too bad you couldn't dig up some dirt on the Karen to make her life (more) miserable.

[Rick Lee]

And I've found a few more. Very interesting that there's an in-home child care provider a few hundred feet away. No license or permit at all. Got a caterer too. They may not have visitor traffic, but I'm guessing their work can be seen, smelled and heard when they're preparing a big job and loading up the truck. Sights, smells and sounds are what trip the permit requirement.

[HardDrive]

Disappointing but predictable. The left has whipped people into a state of hysteria. Guns are now magical evil objects that can kill without warning.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Disappointing but predictable. The left has whipped people into a state of hysteria. Guns are now magical evil objects that can kill without warning.

Not to mention the philosophy of rules for thee, but not for me.

[Rick Lee]

My hearing is tomorrow. I don't have high hopes, but now that I see how blatantly this permit thing is ignored and not enforced except on FFL applicants, I suppose I need the denial before I can appeal, and, if that fails, then to escalate. I don't have anything to lose now. Lots of neighbors now think I'm the anti-christ.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

My hearing is tomorrow. I don't have high hopes, but now that I see how blatantly this permit thing is ignored and not enforced except on FFL applicants, I suppose I need the denial before I can appeal, and, if that fails, then to escalate. I don't have anything to lose now. Lots of neighbors now think I'm the anti-christ.

Good luck, we are pulling for you.

[Por_sha911]

I'd be tempted to casually mention to some neighbors that I was told that there is a daycare, a caterer, and a furniture maker located in the neighborhood and I would hate for my denial for the FFL to create unwanted attention to our neighborhood because it might news people to start snooping around... "not that I would know who those people are..."