F1 2025

[GH85Carrera]

[Jeff Higgins]

I see the mandatory two stop rule in the same light as the infamous NASCAR end of race "debris" caution. A desperate attempt to artificially induce some "excitement" for the once a year viewer who knows next to nothing about F1.

I love what Williams did. Big middle finger to the race officials who absolutely ignored the pleadings of each and every team to not do this. They did anyway, and Williams gave them exactly what they deserved. Not that that once a year fan would have known the difference anyway, and not that it detracted anything from the dedicated fans' expectations for Monaco.

What a quandary, though. What to do about Monaco... Maybe put them all in their childhood go karts and let them race those for just that one race? It would certainly be more exciting.

[917_Langheck]

The cars are the wrong size for the track, and f1 has been a conserve everything endurance race format for too long. Stop saving fuel and stop saving tires! If overuse of resources is an issue in f1, stop racing, period. WEC has better flat out racing, and it's supposed to be an endurance race.

[oldE]

In truth, the race was won Saturday.

[David]

Next year's cars are 4" narrower. Might help a little. Good luck to the teams trying to get down to next years slightly lower min weight with the additional electric power.

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by oldE

In truth, the race was won Saturday.

True for the majority of today's F1 races.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by David

Good luck to the teams trying to get down to next years slightly lower min weight with the additional electric power.

Thanks, every team is going to need it, not sure how many or if any teams will hit min weight next year

Will be an enormous challenge and saving weight is my thang

Smaller and lighter is 100% the right direction

Active aero I'm not so sure about but will reserve judgement until half way through next seasons races

[Scott Douglas]

If F1 is really about the ultimate 'technology', why don't they shrink the tire size to something that's more relevant to today's automobiles?

[Deschodt]

Same deal every year... The fun part is saturday, sunday you hope for rain or somethign unexpected.

I was thinking they could shave that bump on the downhill that they all swerve to avoid, that may provide a small chance for an inside move/late braking ? Maybe change where cars rejoin the track after pitting and reshape the first turn to be faster, also (cutting on the inside more)

Even the supercup 911s produced no passing (and very few laps due to a big crash at the start).

(it was about as entertaining as the 500 to me)

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Same deal every year... The fun part is saturday, sunday you hope for rain or somethign unexpected.

I was thinking they could shave that bump on the downhill that they all swerve to avoid, that may provide a small chance for an inside move/late braking ? Maybe change where cars rejoin the track after pitting and reshape the first turn to be faster, also (cutting on the inside more)

Even the supercup 911s produced no passing (and very few laps due to a big crash at the start).

(it was about as entertaining as the 500 to me)

One announcer said that bump is a tunnel under the roadway, and can't be changed. I guess they could build up the roadway around it to eliminate the bump, but it is a city street and used every day.

[GH85Carrera]

Supposed to be confirmed, Porsche is coming to F1. I am skeptical until I see more.


Cool car, but few rich mere mortals will ever be able to drive it. It is just a bragging rights, purchase to sit in a collection. I guess no different than what it has been for the last 24 years.

[rfuerst911sc]

Porsche and Audi in F1 ? Based on the current state of VW/Porsche/Audi I highly doubt it . I could see Porsche possibly being an engine supplier to Indycar . That is solely based on Roger owning Indycar , they desperately need another engine supplier and Roger's close ties with Porsche .

Other scenario VW makes the decision that Porsche is the performance brand and takes the F1 program over from Audi . I think that would be a logistical nightmare . But many bad decisions are made by rich powerful men so anything is possible .

[Deschodt]

Other rumors floating around are that Ferrari approached Horner (of all people) to lead the team, suggesting they are already impatient with Vasseur. They probably made a mistake firing Binotto already, if they do Vasseur as well (those 2 were a calming influence on the team) I am fairly sure Charles will roll his eyes and bail (and Lewis retire)...

[Deschodt]

Cracked me up

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

The cars are the wrong size for the track, and f1 has been a conserve everything endurance race format for too long. Stop saving fuel and stop saving tires! If overuse of resources is an issue in f1, stop racing, period. WEC has better flat out racing, and it's supposed to be an endurance race.

Yup. F1 is (was) supposed to be absolutely flat-out from lights out to checkered flag. We even heard things like "this isn't F1" and "F1 is supposed to be flat out" as various teams backed up the field to help with their pit stops. While I agree with those announcers' sentiments, let's face it - that simply has not been true of F1 for over 20 years.

For far too long it's been about first tire management, and now tire and fuel management. Artificially induced "strategy". Maybe justifiable up until just a couple of years ago, when the aero packages did not allow cars to follow one another for more than half a lap before burning off the tires. Now that they can actually follow one another and race for lap after lap, I say unleash them and let them race. Get rid of the tire rule and let them run as many sets of whatever they want, with no requirement to run multiple compounds. Let them burn as much fuel as they possibly can, as long as they can do so without the need to pit. Flat-out, start to finish. Back to "real" F1.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I say unleash them and let them race. Get rid of the tire rule and let them run as many sets of whatever they want, with no requirement to run multiple compounds. Let them burn as much fuel as they possibly can, as long as they can do so without the need to pit. Flat-out, start to finish. Back to "real" F1.

Unlimited DRS, too. And straighten out the swimming pool chicane. Maybe turn the lights off in the tunnel.

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

Maybe turn the lights off in the tunnel.

That might be a bit too much; the tunnel is longer in length, and no longer exposed to the outside world, unlike before. Even the corner before the entry has a fake seaside mural to make it look like the past.

[rfuerst911sc]

Audi F1 is setting a goal to win races within 5 years . A very tough hill to climb . Sauber hasn't had a podium finish since 2012 . We all know the struggles of Aston Martin with huge amounts of $$$ being spent . Remember Toyota ? And there are many others that have struggled or failed .

Are Audi different than the others ? Remember the Audi diesel race cars? They dominated the top class for years . So it would seem they have the engineering expertise to succeed . What do you guys think ?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-audi-is-striving-to-win-in-f1-within-five-years/10727431/

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

What do you guys think ?
[/url]

I'm not seeing it end well.. Right now Audi/VW are in financial trouble and they're probably gonna be limited in how much more they can invest while laying off workers and not selling as well. Those are not short term problems since we handed over the keys to the kingdom to China's EVs with our silly ICE bans in europe, and also tariffs on the US market, not gonna help the VW group recover quick..

From a purely F1 standpoint, Audi's glory days in sports car were largely thanks to benefiting from the Joest team experience initially, and then Dr ulrich took it to the next level. F1 IMO is another ball O wax, and over and over history shows it's much harder to succeed if you are away from great britain where a lot of labor/subcontractors are. Ok, maybe if you are Ferrari, once in a decade, and Renault managed it for about 2 years with alonso when they had the best engine ;-) But Hinwill, Switzerland? Good luck... Finally all the news from them have been bad thus far, repeat management change, rumors of a badly born engine, etc... So no, not seeing it.

IMO all this time was wasted, F1 was trying to attract audi for years and the move to Hybrid was largely "for" them, and in the end they may even throw in the towel before they are competitive... Shoulda stayed with V10s and lighter smaller cars.

[rfuerst911sc]

Yuki dead last in qualifying what a terrible result .