Dec 14, GT3 RS goes over the side on Angels Crest, anyone we know?

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

I don't know why you would buy something like this and not get the required training to handle it. Maybe these guys do and they still screw up, but I'm guessing not. I have been through the PCA instructor program, but personally have never driven anything close to this on the track. My main race car was a 60hp FV and my 911 DE car with a pretty modified 3.2 might put out 250hp. These modern supercars are way over my head, and I've got hundreds of hours of track time.

The difference is that you have maturity and good judgement. Steve's video was an eye opener to me...a scene anybody with a lick of common sense would stay away from.

[A930Rocket]

The guy in the video was wearing gloves and a helmet on the street? What a goose.

[red 928]

Just read through this thread, and that triggered a major rant.
Don't say you weren't warned.


Some douche wrecks his car and through the art of speculation,
the reaction is that that what we need is more regulation.

The cars need to be SAFER!
The cars need more SAFETY GEAR!
The cars need to be SLOWER!
The drivers need to jump through more HOOPS!
More regulation, more licenses, more red tape, more BS.
It's no wonder we live in a nanny state.
We have seen the enemy and it is us.

The last time I checked, we already have speed limits.
So why would we think that creating more rules to
ignore would solve anything? It won't.
All more rules do is make things more difficult,
more frustrating, and more expensive for the rest of us
who don't do stupid stuff on curvy roads.
Has the government EVER solved a problem
without creating three new ones?

Here's my solution: let the douches with more
money than skill learn the hard way.
Either they slow down, get kilt, get more skilled,
go to jail, or run out of money.
This problem solves itself if we let it.

and enforcing the rules we already have would help too.

But won't someone think of the children?

[Bill Douglas]

As it is right now, it provides a steady stream of barely used good second hand parts for the boys.

Umm, would a GT3RS engine fit in the SC.

[pwd72s]

Well said by Red 928

[911boost]

Agree with Red and I own a GT3RS. Mine is older and would bite me way harder than the newer ones, I drive it like an old lady.

[Jeff Higgins]

I have to say, I couldn't agree more with what red 928 has to say. I look at this through the eyes of a freedom loving gun owner as well as an enthusiastic driver and rider of all things sporting. The last thing we need is more government intervention in or oversight over any of these activities. The mere prospect terrifies me.

In the firearms world, we recognize incidents like this as the anomalies they represent. These incidents absolutely do not represent the norm, or the "typical" enthusiast. Some clown does something terrible with a gun and kills or injures innocents, and the last thing you will ever see gun owners calling for is more oversight and regulation. We recognize that calling for a broader safety net will never provide that safety net. Never.

This guy only harmed himself. Unfortunately, as in the firearms world, all too often these selfish drivers do manage to collect up an innocent non-participant. But again, as tragic as that is, any attempt to regulate our way out of future occurrences is a fool's errand.

[CurtEgerer]

I'll bet Mat Armstrong is all over this. He's got Copart on speed dial. This would be a good one to add to his collection of wrecked GT3RSs.

[jhynesrockmtn]

Originally Posted by red 928

Just read through this thread, and that triggered a major rant.
Don't say you weren't warned.


Some douche wrecks his car and through the art of speculation,
the reaction is that that what we need is more regulation.

The cars need to be SAFER!
The cars need more SAFETY GEAR!
The cars need to be SLOWER!
The drivers need to jump through more HOOPS!
More regulation, more licenses, more red tape, more BS.
It's no wonder we live in a nanny state.
We have seen the enemy and it is us.

The last time I checked, we already have speed limits.
So why would we think that creating more rules to
ignore would solve anything? It won't.
All more rules do is make things more difficult,
more frustrating, and more expensive for the rest of us
who don't do stupid stuff on curvy roads.
Has the government EVER solved a problem
without creating three new ones?

Here's my solution: let the douches with more
money than skill learn the hard way.
Either they slow down, get kilt, get more skilled,
go to jail, or run out of money.
This problem solves itself if we let it.

and enforcing the rules we already have would help too.

But won't someone think of the children?

I didn't see a bunch of suggestions for more government regulation in the replies to this thread. I saw many suggesting taking more personal responsibility and learning how to drive the thing and maybe do it at the track. Big difference IMHO.

[70SATMan]

Somebody needs a PARF enema.

No one in the thread suggested anything close to Triggers accusation.

[Jeff Higgins]

The "take it to the track" responses remind me of the Terminator in the first movie. He's standing inside the hotel room with the guy knocking on the door, and we see the Terminator scrolling through its list of preprogrammed responses. He chooses "eff you, ahshole", you guys choose "take it to the track". Absolutely predictable, preprogrammed "outrage".

Not that you are wrong, you are just a bunch of hypocrites. I'll absolutely guarantee that there isn't a single one of you that has not exceeded the speed limit (and by a substantial margin at times) on a public road. How fast is "too fast"? Why, by golly, that's obvious, isn't it? Anyone going faster than you would go...

Didn't George Carlin once quip "ever notice how anyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac?". Yup, we are all experts on how others should drive. Well, and for that matter, how they should do pretty much everything.

"But for the grace of God there go I ". Yeah, I've gone after it pretty darn hard on public roads. I won't get all sanctimonious and try to convince anyone that I have not. I won't point an accusing finger at this poor guy while spouting all of the expected, canned responses. He screwed up. Bigly. He's going to pay for it in more ways than one. We know nothing about him but immediately assume he's just some spoiled wealthy tool. Maybe he's a pretty average guy who finally attained to his "bucket list" car, and this ends it for him. We don't know. Of course that has never stopped us from getting all pious and "holier than thou" whenever we see an incident like this.

Be safe out there, fellow enthusiasts. Don't be this guy. Your own community is rather merciless and unsympathetic.

[javadog]

You have a point but there are things taking place on public roads, every day, that none of us ever did.

For too many people, driving these cars (and bikes) has become to much of a video game. Not to mention, roads are far more crowded today than they ever were.

[911 Rod]

We don't know the details, but "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" probably applies here.
I've been there and luckily didn't win the prize.

[greglepore]

Part of the problem is the nannies. These cars can make you feel invincible until you're not. In "our" cars (talking to the majority demo here) the cars scared you well and good and kept you honest. Now, the cars make up for their excesses electronically until you're going at some hyper velocity and suddenly its over. Terminal velocity is much higher. Are the cars stronger and more protective (airbags etc). Sure.
Young me was a fool. The drivers of the two GT3's involved in the two most recent incidents were relatively young as well.
I don't think we're sanctimonious so much as a bunch of old bulls. You know the joke, lets walk down slow and ...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by javadog

You have a point but there are things taking place on public roads, every day, that none of us ever did.

For too many people, driving these cars (and bikes) has become to much of a video game. Not to mention, roads are far more crowded today than they ever were.

Agreed. And modern machinery has pushed the limits far beyond where they used to be. This "Max wrist" character who made the video that Steve linked is a prime example of the "video game" mentality. His YouTube channel is chock full of some of the most irresponsible and selfish riding anywhere on the Internet. Him and his crew on sport bikes on the Tail of the Dragon, Nine Mile, Mulholland, etc on a full -on track pace. Several videos feature one of his accomplisses crashing, guys obviously in over their heads, trying to keep up. He has even been arrested and indicated on the evidence he provided via his own video.

As a track junkie myself, it pains me to see all of this. As a street going enthusiast it pains me to see all of this. I fully understand the possibility of this kind of behavior eventually ruining it for all of us. The "Karens" out there are already at full song. Our community doesn't need to add to their voice.

[javadog]

Around Dallas you often find nitwits on literbikes having top speed runs on the freeways at night. You can hear them from miles away. Similar thing happens with the 30-year-olds in their Lambos and McLarens... 3 or 4 at a time having roll-on drag races into the upper gears. Black dudes taking over urban intersections for endless donuts. The cops can't keep up.

Fortunately we haven't seen the hordes of young black dudes on dirtbikes and 4 wheelers running amuck like you see around the NE states, as that might push me past my breaking point.

[911 Rod]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Part of the problem is the nannies. These cars can make you feel invincible until you're not.

This is also a problem on the track.

[jhynesrockmtn]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The "take it to the track" responses remind me of the Terminator in the first movie. He's standing inside the hotel room with the guy knocking on the door, and we see the Terminator scrolling through its list of preprogrammed responses. He chooses "eff you, ahshole", you guys choose "take it to the track". Absolutely predictable, preprogrammed "outrage".

Not that you are wrong, you are just a bunch of hypocrites. I'll absolutely guarantee that there isn't a single one of you that has not exceeded the speed limit (and by a substantial margin at times) on a public road. How fast is "too fast"? Why, by golly, that's obvious, isn't it? Anyone going faster than you would go...

Didn't George Carlin once quip "ever notice how anyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac?". Yup, we are all experts on how others should drive. Well, and for that matter, how they should do pretty much everything.

"But for the grace of God there go I ". Yeah, I've gone after it pretty darn hard on public roads. I won't get all sanctimonious and try to convince anyone that I have not. I won't point an accusing finger at this poor guy while spouting all of the expected, canned responses. He screwed up. Bigly. He's going to pay for it in more ways than one. We know nothing about him but immediately assume he's just some spoiled wealthy tool. Maybe he's a pretty average guy who finally attained to his "bucket list" car, and this ends it for him. We don't know. Of course that has never stopped us from getting all pious and "holier than thou" whenever we see an incident like this.

Be safe out there, fellow enthusiasts. Don't be this guy. Your own community is rather merciless and unsympathetic.

BS. I am one of the "take it to the track" commenters. My comment was geared toward take it to the track to learn how to drive it. Yes, I've exceeded the speed limit on public roads, but never in a 520 horsepower street legal race car, and never to the extent I've seen with this crowd who do stupid crap in cars for youtube clicks. Your comment is way off for most of us. Those who are well into our later years who grew up on sports cars that make today's modern supercars look like pedal cars.

[Noah930]

FWIW, today another car (non-Porsche FWIW) went flying over the edge (and down about 300 feet) at ACH, and another car wound up on its side at the side of the road. Separate incidents.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Noah930

FWIW, today another car (non-Porsche FWIW) went flying over the edge (and down about 300 feet) at ACH, and another car wound up on its side at the side of the road. Separate incidents.

They should mount a camera there for evidence purposes. Would make for much easier prosecutions….