Two Terrorist Attacks In One Day - WTF?

[craigster59]

Gives one pause about these EV's the way they were able to track and time stamp the Cybertruck's journey to Vegas through the charging stations.

Personally I don't plan on any devious behavior but I'm not liking that "Big Brother" information gathering that is made available through EV's. Cellphones are bad enough.

[masraum]

Is it just me or did it look like the truck used in NO had one of those cameras on a stick on the back?

In the video, the bit that I circled is clearly moving along with the truck (and is a single thin "stalk").

[onewhippedpuppy]

The F150 used in NOLA had a flag pole, I assume it went into the receiver hitch. That’s where the ISIS flag was flying.

[jyl]

The explosives in the bed of the Cybertruck were, I am reading, just fireworks and LPG cans? And the blast was free to go upward? I think any old pickup truck would have held up fine.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Keeps getting weirder:

Family of Matthew Livelsberger: “He used to have all patriotic stuff on Facebook, he was 100 percent loving the country. He loved Trump, and he was always a very, very patriotic soldier, a patriotic American.“

So the patriotic active duty solider that’s an explosives expert and a fan of Trump blows himself up in front of Trump Tower with crude explosives while also shooting himself in the head?

[Wetwork]

Another outside of the box thought....
What if you were told "they/cell" would murder your family, all of them? Had pictures addresses, schools your kids attend, wifes car pictured, your parents house all threatened if you don't blow up something. It'd be a tough call because you know most likely there would be no help. I don't know what I'd do? Sacrifice my family? Or protect them?-WW

ps. There's lots of stories of the Russians doing stuff like this in their own country.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

The F150 used in NOLA had a flag pole, I assume it went into the receiver hitch. That’s where the ISIS flag was flying.

Ah, right, I remember reading there was a flag.

Originally Posted by jyl

The explosives in the bed of the Cybertruck were, I am reading, just fireworks and LPG cans? And the blast was free to go upward? I think any old pickup truck would have held up fine.

Weird. I would think that almost anyone could setup something like that, much less a trained military guy.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Keeps getting weirder:

Family of Matthew Livelsberger: “He used to have all patriotic stuff on Facebook, he was 100 percent loving the country. He loved Trump, and he was always a very, very patriotic soldier, a patriotic American.“

So the patriotic active duty solider that’s an explosives expert and a fan of Trump blows himself up in front of Trump Tower with crude explosives while also shooting himself in the head?

Yeah, seems very weird. Seems like if this guy wanted to cause terror, mayhem, or mass casualties and death, he'd have been able to pull it off better. It almost seems like this was an attempt to minimize those things.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/matthew-livelsberger-tesla-cybertuck-explosion-las-vegas-trump-b2672787.html

“Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel,” Dean Livelsberger told The Independent.

“He was what you might call a ‘supersoldier.’ If you ever read about the things he was awarded, and the experience he had, some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

Livelsberger earned a summa cum laude – an award given to the students earning the highest grades in their class – after graduating from Norwich University in Vermont with a degree in Strategic Studies and Defense Analysis, according to his LinkedIn profile.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Wetwork

Another outside of the box thought....
What if you were told "they/cell" would murder your family, all of them? Had pictures addresses, schools your kids attend, wifes car pictured, your parents house all threatened if you don't blow up something. It'd be a tough call because you know most likely there would be no help. I don't know what I'd do? Sacrifice my family? Or protect them?-WW

ps. There's lots of stories of the Russians doing stuff like this in their own country.

Right, I'd had a similar thought, at least for the green beret in Vegas. Like I said in my other post, it almost seems like, for a guy with his training, that he was trying to minimize the damage, death, and destruction.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Keeps getting weirder:

Family of Matthew Livelsberger: “He used to have all patriotic stuff on Facebook, he was 100 percent loving the country. He loved Trump, and he was always a very, very patriotic soldier, a patriotic American.“

So the patriotic active duty solider that’s an explosives expert and a fan of Trump blows himself up in front of Trump Tower with crude explosives while also shooting himself in the head?

An explosives expert will have readily accessible UXO’s… very easy feat for that line of work ( they literally pile them up until it’s worthwhile to detonate them). Nitrate fertilizer is pretty much banned in the US now, but he could stock pile tannerite or cold packs. Very crude indeed.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Gives one pause about these EV's the way they were able to track and time stamp the Cybertruck's journey to Vegas through the charging stations.

Personally I don't plan on any devious behavior but I'm not liking that "Big Brother" information gathering that is made available through EV's. Cellphones are bad enough.

I read, they were able to gather that information from the car rental company, Turo.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by masraum

That's my guess, and using Turo is evil genious, "rent a bomb". I've never understood the whole Turo thing. No way in hell am I renting out my car. That's insane. Now it's even worse.

Depends on my insurance coverage.

[berettafan]

wonder if the vehicle owners were even properly insured for renting their vehicles out.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Gives one pause about these EV's the way they were able to track and time stamp the Cybertruck's journey to Vegas through the charging stations.

Personally I don't plan on any devious behavior but I'm not liking that "Big Brother" information gathering that is made available through EV's. Cellphones are bad enough.

It’s not restricted to EV’s.

If your car has WIFI it’s certainly being tracked. Long ago, GM touted its new technology that automatically calls 911 if it detects a crash, or you could initiate it manually at any time from anywhere. Nowdays, supposedly, every new vehicle has a ‘black box’ that communicates to the cloud 24/7. Amongst the pages and pages of disclosures you sign when purchasing a new car is your acknowledgement and agreement that such data is collected and is only to be disclosed to a third party pursuant to a warrant. Like, you know, FISA.

I asked the Toyota stealer about disabling the thing and the guy said something to the effect of ‘Don’t worry, be happy.’ It can be turned off but that only prevents you from using the tech, Christopher Wray still can.

Sign here…

Lately, just about every arrest around here is due to an ‘anonymous tip’ or defective equipment. IOW, the perp’s cell phone snitched. Currently, your fairly new car acts like an enormous ankle monitor.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

An explosives expert will have readily accessible UXO’s… very easy feat for that line of work ( they literally pile them up until it’s worthwhile to detonate them). Nitrate fertilizer is pretty much banned in the US now, but he could stock pile tannerite or cold packs. Very crude indeed.

I know, I work in defense and have encountered some pretty badass dudes over the years. A Green Beret explosives expert could do exponentially better than this. So what’s up? How/why did the guy shoot himself before detonating (per LVPD). How was his body burned “beyond recognition” but his passport and laminated CAC card were found in the cab still legible? He had multiple guns and magazines in the car, so why suicide yourself x2? Finally, why would someone that was by all accounts a patriot with a successful military career and a young family do this? This feels like we are being deceived in a big way.

[varmint]

I have a limited understanding of how teslas work. Could I put a dead body in the drivers seat and then tell the vehicle to drive itself to a certain point?

[The Synergizer]

I was thinking the same…

[Arizona_928]

AD out of where? Irwin?

If that’s the case, I’m going to call BS on the whole story.

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Back to facts!

NOLA and Vegas terrorists served together in Afghanistan in 2009.
Vegas terrorist was an explosives expert but his truck bomb was crude gasoline and mortar shells.


Vegas terrorist was found with a gunshot wound to the head.


The AirBNB that the NOLA terrorist was staying in was set on fire shortly AFTER his rampage.
Despite all that the FBI says that they weren’t connected and that nobody else was involved. The same FBI that initially said the NOLA attack was “not terrorism” and attempted to obscure the ISIS flag on his truck.

Keeps getting weirder and there’s definitely more to the story than we are being told.

Was he shot first, then loaded into that Tesla which self drove to the Trump hotel?

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by varmint

I have a limited understanding of how teslas work. Could I put a dead body in the drivers seat and then tell the vehicle to drive itself to a certain point?

This.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

Was he shot first, then loaded into that Tesla which self drove to the Trump hotel?

And why would a Special Forces use a 50 cal Desert Eagle to off himself? You'd think he'd go with an Sig 226 or Glock, Deagles are POS weapons known for failure.

Ain't passing the sniff test.