Lear jet Crash in Philly

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I can see how these videos would lead some to think it looks like a missile. The 2nd one clearly (to my eye) shows an explosion or whatever else would cause a trailing flame like you see.

Yep, then mix in a well earned mistrust of the media and officialdom... But yeah, it was a plane crash.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I would maybe buy a catastrophic structural failure immediately after takeoff or an explosion onboard leading to a total loss of control. Or an intentional act. Regardless there’s nothing normal about this incident, augering in at a nearly vertical angle of attack at full throttle is not how aircraft typically crash.

[greglepore]

Agreed, its not typical but neither is stalling on takeoff at 1500 ft, if that's indeed what happened.
Here's a good youtube piece by a very experienced commercial pilot and that's his thought, that for some reason, either pitch or power failure, the a/c stalled and went nosedown with the power on.
There's now at least one fatality on the ground.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Sure looks to be moving awfully fast for an airplane that stalled at 1600 ft.

[rsrguy]

Lears are notorious for having no margin for error with regard to how fast you need to react to pp failure.... I'd bet you a week of lunches that's all it was... slow reaction time that led to a stall, then poor proficiency with regard to single engine emergency procedures on the part of the crew. Only thing they could do was ride it into the smoking hole.
Sorry folks this airframe is a magnificent airplane..... until it isn't. Then, it's a snake.

[HardDrive]

Wild speculation, but it was medical flight, oxygen tank explosion?

[rsrguy]

If you conspiracy nut jobs are dying for a conspiracy angle... the plane was headed to Mexico... cartel revenge hit in the form of sabotage...

[rsrguy]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Sure looks to be moving awfully fast for an airplane that stalled at 1600 ft.

Simple physics.. single engine out... power on stall... we practice for it. It's a thing.
This isn't mysterious.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by rsrguy

Simple physics.. single engine out... power on stall... we practice for it. It's a thing.
This isn't mysterious.

Yeah, I don't get the conspiracy nonsense.

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[craigster59]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Wild speculation, but it was medical flight, oxygen tank explosion?

Also other med gases. Nitrous? Compressed gases make a big boom.

[greglepore]

Yeah, its a very high performance aircraft with all that entails. Actually has a good safety record for what it is. Lose an engine, increase thrust from the remaining, and somehow you stall and wingover with one engine wide open... you're a lawn dart.

[rsrguy]

I'm the first to bite on a legitimate conspiracy... Ron brown, yup bs circumstances, but not this. This looks like unproficient emergency procedures and por crm. Sometimes a crash is just a crash.

[Sooner or later]

6 passenger ICBM.

[craigster59]

When they listed the tail numbers it came back as a 1982 era Learjet.

Don't know if that's a little long in the tooth for a private jet with Mexican registration. How often are inspections to show FAA compliance?

[rsrguy]

Poor taste... and dark... too soon

[rsrguy]

Not long in the tooth at all. Compliance is a Mexican federal issue not faa.

[rsrguy]

This is a departure stall
https://youtu.be/vTQwkKameLg?si=kIZeWa6HMZPyXjsL

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Very interesting. Juan is thinking this looks like a spatial disorientation accident (not mechanical).

[rsrguy]

Juan also doesn't think it's from a stall. He's right about spatial d being hard to prove.

[herr_oberst]

11000 fpm rate of descent. I don't even want to imagine what it was like in that cabin in the last seconds.

Full power, full auger-in.