exc911ence, I talked to Chris today about your being accepted into RGruppe and asked what the delay was. He DID recieve your $50.00 Money Order but he still hasn't gotten the results of your PAP smear. So, until he gets these results your application is on hold.
Sorry.

that is just stupid.

"stupid is as stupid does..."

Ray Crawford, send me your address. I'll give you a copy of "the bible".

godspeed, Jens
RGruppe, Vermont

Ray, can you send me one as well?

James

YO TEDDY ET AL
 

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What a bunch of fools.....

Re: YO TEDDY ET AL
 

Your responce time seemed slow???
Were you at the slots, Sherri's ranch in Pahrump perhaps?

Just Saw this post and have to say that all the R Gruppe gents I have met are good guys and true porschephiles like the rest of us on this board. They love modified early cars, have some of the nicest examples I have seen and like to use them on track. I own a "wanna be" R gruppe style car that is certainly not in the same league as BBII or TEDs toy but is in my humble opinion a nice example (even if I can't drive it at its full potential) I have never been formally asked to "Join" and frankly don't care because when I show up at a local AUTOX the Gruppe guys (who are some very fast drivers and solid wrenches) always welcome me, offer technical advice, help in the pits, driving tips etc. They are not "Stuck up" and are genuinely friendly folks. To me they are a group of early 911 hot rod owners who seem to welcome like minded guys, R-gruppe Sticker or not.

My 2 cents, Jim

O.k. everyone.......Now this is an RGruppe member.......this is a guy who, as a fellow RGruppe member, IF he called me at 2:15 a.m. and said he was 95 miles away with a dead battery I would be in my Powerstroke Turbo diesel p/up and be on my way with tools and jumper cables.

This is a great example of the friends I've made in RGruppe "for life" ...we look out for each other.... the more inconvienent..the better.

Re: Re: YO TEDDY ET AL
 

It was a 2 for the price of 1 day out at the Ranch! They only give those coupons to their very best customers.

Thank you! That's all I needed to hear... as for the PAP, I was wondering why "it" was burning! :D

Listen Up Fools
 

Don't You guys get it.... The R Gruppe maybe the biggest bunch of local loser lunkheads of all time but they are my boiz and if anyone is going to trash talk the R Gruppies it's gona be me. Get it. So all U squirells out there go back to packing away the nuts for winter, I hear it's going to be a long one.

To ask what kind of arrogant California flakes the R Gruppie is all U have to do is look at one of the BIggest *********s in the Gruppie...CurtisAA.....what kind of geek is he...well when Sam kissed the side of the mountain with his Porsche it was Cutis who was there for him. Who brought Sam kandy and flowers in the hospital it was Cutis...who held Sams hand while he was in there Cutis thats who. I even heard he told him bedtime stories.

Now while Kris might be the messiah personificated to the R Gruppies, and they follow him like lemmings going over a cliff. Kris does have a busy schedule with family, work and the like. But I do think Kris you fked up this one...4 months with out a reply is a bit much and I would be wondering what planet you were on to? You gota cover the guy and not leave him lost in space. It's understandable for him to ask him the question without the dimmer bulbs in the outfit getting their panties in a bunch and going into a hissy fit over it. Shame on you morons, Kris oughta whack your pee pees, and send you to bed widhout your dinners over this one. Is that anyway to treat a prospective fish? I say get their $50, send em a sticker to keep em happy so that it will be awhile longer before they realize they've bin suckered.

You see the R Gruppies is such an adhoc Gruppy that they don't know whether they are coming or going. They often leave things dangling and have to be told to zip up afterwards. In other words social morons who you can't take anyplace without being embarrased. Humilated is more like it....and their rites of iniation are even more bizzare, I hear that they dress their new fish up in a Goat suit and proceed to do unmentionable things to him. Thats why the prospective fish is always asking wheres the Goat huh Stacy...surprise surprise your it!!!! Do I need to say more?

David

First off, please accept my sincere apology for not sending you an acknowledgement about your $50 membership dues. Yes I agree with you and everyone that you should have received an acknowledgement so I accept fault for this. It doesn't happen all the time but unfortunately it happened to you.

As a matter of fact on a number of occasions, I have made it a point to personally call new members, not only to acknowledge receipt of their payment and membership app, but also to thank them for their interest in becoming a member and officially welcome them into the club. Yes I’ve done this on a number of occasions (I wish I could do it for everyone but…) and will continue to when time and opportunity allows me to take that extra step. However, with over 300 members and daily e-mails from those seeking membership, it gets overwhelming at times.

Getting back to my failure to send you an acknowledgement, yes I can give you a bunch of excuses but bottom line, I failed in my duty and accept fault for the oversight. I’m only human and make mistakes, this time to the detriment of the club. Not acceptable and definitely shouldn’t happen to anyone.

Let me now take the time to respond to your charges that you got "scammed". Far from it and to prove it, I will reimburse you back your $50 membership and throw in another $50 for a total refund of $100. Call it an investment with 100% return, courtesy of R Gruppe. It’s my way of making up for my shortcomings and making you feel like you were “scammed”. I'm only guilty of not sending you an acknowledgement but that's all.

Your decision to flame me in this forum w/o trying to first send me an e-mail to voice your concern is one that I must take exception to. I resent your inference about being scammed which compromises my credibility and reputation as the founder and leader of this club. It was inappropriate and in poor taste on your part to use this forum to personally attack my character.

Your claim about your recent attempts to inquire about your membership status via e-mail and not receiving any response is also an issue. Especially since I have not received any from you and would not have ignored your inquiry on your membership status. I’m not sure where you sent it but it never got to me.

In spite of all this, I plead guilty and I’m at fault for failure to follow up with the acknowledgement in a timely manner. Therefore, I will enclose a personal written apology letter along with the $100 refund to be sent to you by Priority Mail on Monday, October 13th.

Now about your claim that you got “invited” to join, let me clarify one thing for you and for everyone to know. I did not “invite” you to become a member and do not make a practice of doing so to attract new members. You inquired about membership via e-mail sent to the R Gruppe website and went through great lengths to tell me about your involvement with Porsches and describe in detail what you felt was a car worthy of being in R Gruppe. You initiated the contact and we exchanged e-mails and based on that, I accepted your request and sent you the membership form. Whether you now view that as an “invitation” so be it. You got “invited” to join because you requested to be considered for membership and though I have not opened this club to many 912 owners, I extended that special consideration to you based on your merits and your strong level of interest in being part of this club.

To put it all into perspective, let it be known that I do not and will not ever solicit, recruit, nor "invite" just anyone to become a member. For the same reasons I don't promote nor advertise the club. Though some will say that membership is “by invitation only”, one doesn’t get invited unless one expresses strong interest in becoming a member. Though you may own what you perceived as a highly modified 912 worthy of being part of the R Gruppe, don't flatter yourself and declare that you got “invited” and was asked to join because of it.

BTW, in case you were wondering the member # assigned to you, it was #311. Sorry for your bad experience with the R Gruppe. I don't run a scam nor do I intentionally deceive members and take their money for nothing.

Other clubs have their own followers and some may like to poke fun at R-Gruppe. Its free speech but there are a few of those guys who like to stir things up just because they can behind the comforts and safety of their keyboards. Knock yourself out fellas! Seems like one of the ways you get your jollies. Our basic belief in “our group” is one’s time could be better spent driving your Porsches. It’s been known to even improve one’s attitude and perspective of those who share a common interest in
P-cars.

Then there are also those who may not necessarily share the philosophy and the motivation behind
R Gruppe’s existence - so be it. We're not trying to win a popularity contest nor do we feel the need to be accepted by everyone. R Gruppe has a common goal which everyone shares, enjoy the company of fellow members and enthusiasts, drive the cars and most importantly, have FUN.

R Gruppe member, Cain de Vore (in an article published in the last R Gruppe News) may have best summed up the motivation and inspiration behind R Gruppe with this phrase;

“the cars may have inspired the R Gruppe, but the members created it. Both make it one of the most desired, revered, misunderstood, sometimes hated, often envied and exclusive Porsche clubs today”

In closing, David good luck with your hot rod 912 and may your find your place amongst the others out there. Based on the postings from this thread, you have already been “invited” to join the other clubs.


Cris Huergas
R Gruppe #2

Tabby aka Two-oh but known to me simply as BS 52

don't get your hopes up, I'm not ready to be recalled yet. So you're still relegated to your role as THE PEST.

yup, i fked up and now he's gone, history, finito. At least you still have a shot at being member #1879866 If you live long enough to reach that.

Cris

I will make this short and sweet........Some people get it , and some don't......... That's OK, as we are all humans.
Cris has done a outstanding job with the R Gruppe. Why, because he has assembled the finest group of early 911 enthusiests I have ever met. I have been the the Porsche world for 30 years now and this is my home.(the R Gruppe). One guy can only do so much. We could care less if our news letter is late. Deadlines create stress. We don't need or want stress, just a good time.
I think some are pissed because this is one club that you have to be approved to join. It doesn't take much to join, just leave your negative attitude at home and have a love for the earlier 911.
As for Tabs previous comments about Curt, I am speechless!!
I have tolerated his previous postings until this last comment.
Nobody ran anyone into a cliff. It was accident.
Curt helping Sam in a time of need was a extreme act of friendship.
If I wasn't 3000 miles away, I would have been right beside Sam. If things were any worse than they were, I would have flown 3000 miles to help a fellow R Gruppe member.
300 members has become a little much for the R Gruppe, that's why Cris will be doing a little weeding out now and in the future.
So much for short and sweet..........

well said Rick. It is hard to understand why anyone would bash Cris.

Cris, you're a stand-up guy, thanks for the personal reply. I did in fact send you 4 e-mails over the past couple of months to your e-mail link from the website (RGruppeRally@aol.com), why they didn't get to you is a matter to be taken up with AOL.

When I originally posted here, "scammed" was meant to be tongue-in-cheek and I had no ill feelings towards you or the RGruppe members, but after several attacks that I received here and via e-mail from your members, I don't think that the RGruppe is for me. Insults of my character and my car(s) do not make one feel welcome in a club. I will therefore accept your offer of reimbursement of my $50 (the $100 is not necessary) and, to quote one of your members, "be gone".

It's a shame that it all turned out this way but understanding that your membership represents you when you're not around, you might want to consider reeling in some of the more "passionate" ones.

David,

you described my inaction as a form of scam. The tone of your post sure didn't sound like it was tongue-in-cheek and judging from the way some of my members reacted, they too read it the same as I did. When you did that, you insulted me and R Gruppe and my members came to defend the honor and my credibility. R Gruppe is not for everyone, I'm glad to find early on that you're not a fit and just as well.

as for your suggestion for me to consider reeling in some of the more "passionate" ones, I don't need your advise so keep it.

Cris

more advice:
 

Yeah, uhm, "sometimes hated" . .is that reference to tabs? I think you could replace "sometimes hated" with; "sometimes mocked, laughed at, and often ridiculed . . .exclusive Porsche clubs today” (just to take the "tabs reference" outta there. ..i think it just feeds him;) )

Just to be clear:
I do like, and have respect for, a handfull of guys whom have bought into the "r-gruppe". These individuals have so much going on, it completely makes-up for there association with the "envied and exclusive Porsche clubs today”:rolleyes:

But, Cris etal, don't go thinking that the "good" that these individuals bring to your table, gives you a pass for arrogance.
. . . or the ridicule will continue.;)

Geez Cris, no one needs to bad mouth R Gruppe on this board. You can do enough damage all by your self. You acknowleged your mistake, made your peace offering and scored some points in my book. Did you not realize that that was the time to shut up.

Don't bother telling me you don't give a F*** what I think. I already know that. But, you have some very nice people in R Gruppe on whom you are reflecting very poorly right now.

I will proudly count myself among the "unfit" if you are demonstrating the standard.

While I hold no ill will toward any of the Rgruppe, most are freindly and helpful, the cars are great, although the yearly gathering cost needs a bit better value, but as of late the criteria for membership appears arrogant. Send in your application and we will decide if you are Rgruppe material?? We don't want you in the group if you can't attend all of the events? We are limiting membership to 300 the rest will be rgruppies? While I am sure its not the case it appears on the surface of taking yourselves a bit too seriously for such a 'laid back' group. And while I can assure you 'I get it' this is only an opinion and observation. Its the cars and the people that make the group, not the other way around.

IMHO

THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

Retch Gruppe
 

Hey Cabell "we don't need no stinkin stress" can't you read..."it was Cutis who was there for him" Where in Gods good earth do you read Curtis was to blame for what happened to Sam? Are you subconsciencily thinking that...do you blame Curtis for what happened I sure don't! SO Cabell pull your head outa your butt on this one! You just pissed me off...


Kris there you went and did it again...you fked up...you offered your apology...but you kept on ranting and showed your true nature. You just can't let go of the fact that the R Gruppe is NOT Perfect man...It ain't the Virgin Mary. You can't roll with the punches and laugh at your own fkups...you take yourselves way too seriously...and there is no reason to. You all really need to look seriousily at what you should defend and what you should let slide off your backs...it seems like whenever anyone says anything the least bit critical of the R Gruppe...you guys put your storm trooper boots on and go stomp the guy. For what to make sure the Virgin Mary of Porsche Gruppes honor and santicity is upheld....meanwhile what your really doing is tearing down anything thats really good about the Gruppe...your running her reputation through the mud with your arrogance which you guys call defending her honor. Quiet frankly Cris I could never be a member of your Gruppe, your attitudes towards differences of opinion is too narrow for me. Thats what my first posts with regards to the R Gruppe were all about...I was testing you to see just how much tolerance you guys had...and you failed. I finially quit trying with you guys about 7 or 8 months ago. Your truly not worth the effort.

David,
Your first post.....
"RGruppe is the club that invited me to join, took my $50US and haven't contacted me since (it's been over 2 months!)! I'm starting to think that I've been scammed... Cris Huergas hasn't even returned the follow-up e-mails I've sent. If he's changed his mind, I'd like my $ back."

..... doesn't sound like a tongue-in-cheek response to me.

That's the danger of trying to communicate in our human ways. The way we transmit is sometimes lost in the reception, then we get all worked up based on what we perceive someone said instead of what he meant.

This applies to everyone. I doubt, in a face-to-face meeting, many of the same things said here would be said in the same manner. At least that's my liberal side of interpreting human nature. But then again, I could be wrong.

Sherwood

I frankly don't see anything wrong with the above quote...If your sitting without a response after you tried repeatedly youd begin to wonder to?? Whats going on, have I been taken advantage of...I'd even ask the question on this board to see what other people thought...No this guy has acted in good faith and a followed a reasonable course of action. Noiw while the R gruppe admits it Fked up, which again Cris has other responsibilities in life to uphold is understandable and reasonable. What is not understandable and not reasonable is for the Porsche community to sit by and listen to a diatribe about great and wonderfull the R Gruppe is and how lucky people should to be allowed to join....that comes off like jacked booted thugs stomping somebody to me, and thats not reasonable.

you know as I read everyone’s posts bashing the Rgruppe and repeatedly bashing Cris I can't help but wonder - how many of these guys will still show-up at an Rgruppe event and act like nothing ever happened? Many I think.

You can't have a club if there is not some common criteria. And someone needs to be a judge of that criteria. In our case it is Cris. And who can blame Cris for getting ticked and trying to respond to these attacks? Ask yourself, if it were your club would you not do the same?

There seems to me to be a very simple solution to the disagreements evident in this post - you guys go and make your own group. There is nothing stopping you from doing it and you can then set (or not set) criteria for being a member. Heck, you can get together and trash talk other groups since that seems to be a common trait among you.

If you think that groups such as ours are lame then why not just live and let live and leave us be?

Oh and just for the record, my car is not perfect and when folks see it and the next Cambria meet they will see a hotrod 911 with many imperfections and yes, it was accepted into the club. That doesn't sound like an elitist group to me. Nope, just a bunch of like minded Porsche fans.

I must be really bored: I actually decided to wade thru this thread ....... what a bunch of crap. I wonder how many of you critics out there have actually met R-Gruppe members in person? Not many, I suspect, or your opinions would be much different. In fact, I even met one who was accepted with a non-backdated SC!!! That kinda throws a wrench into the gears, doesn't it? :eek: -- Curt

"I even met one who was accepted with a non-backdated SC!!!'

Curt,
Quite true. There's even some friggin' kid and a guy with a repair shop with 914-6s. What makes them so special? :)

Other than wearing an RGruppe event t-shirt (not exclusive BTW), you can't tell if the person you're talking to is "official" or not. Geez, you can't even tell by their car anymore. They're either stock looking, RS types or other.

Generally, I thought I could tell by quality of eye contact, non-specific banter and a portable PAP smear test rig (no volunteers yet), but of the people I meet, most fall into the unpretentious, nice folks category. Maybe I should get out more.

Sherwood

uhm. .. WHAT!?

You lost me, Curt. Who's being critical of R-Gruppe members (as a whole . . . other than tabs) ?

. . and what does accepting this or that type of 91 . . . .oh, I see. ;)

We now return to "As the Pelican Churns" . .

On another note...
 

Just got back from an RGruppe run down to San Diego t'day....we had 6 cars from O.C. then met up with 3 more at breakfast (thk$ Ted:) ) then we all proceeded to the Coranado Navel airbase and watched vintage races for most of the day. Tons of interesting nostalgic race cars in the pits...those McLaren's were the Bomb !!!

Also saw a real '70 911ST as well as a '74 RSR up close and then out on the track....I was down on my knees peeking in everywhere.....both had me wanting bad !!!!

A great day with true buddies.....:cool:

Cegerer,

Sorry to use your post in this way. There are many fine R Gruppe members. But, what I have seen from the R Gruppe members on this thread is exactly what you have said, "a bunch of crap" and snobery in its purest form.

Thank God I'm not worthy of such snobery. At least I hope I'm not. Perhaps I need Cris' opinion on my fitness before I make such a bold statement. I would not want to speak for the omnipotent R Gruppe authority.

Man, it's getting hard to see the road with all the self-righteousness in here...
http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/pray.gif

exc911ence? Buh-bye. Paul (R Gruppe #15...with a "mostly original" old 911S)

Whoa....!!!! Sounds like hurt feelings....!!!http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat5.gif

My first post about the R gruppe in this thread actually said some nice things about them...about Curtis helping Sam and Cris having alot of responsibility. The rest was obviously tongue in cheek poking fun at them in a fun kinda way.

My second post basically reiterated my arguement with the Gruppe that has gone on for several years...yet I still maintained and even keel trying to put my thooughts and feelings into terms that would be understandable to them....yet my fustration with them has shown through in that post.

My third post again gave the R Gruppe some credit, yet reiterated that they can and do come off as being inreasonable at times...

That is the absolute reality of the 3 posts I have made so far on this thread.

I have to say that I feel that for the most part feel an adversarial type of kinship with them...I don't hate them but do bash them for their intransigence...

I guess the central point I have to make with them is that the R Gruppe ain't the Virgin Mary so let it go...and if you could let it go you could laugh at yourselves and stop making yourselves into appearing to be a bunch of serious idiots. Then the good side of the R Gruppe would shine through...but until that happens it's gona be more of the same old, same old arguement all the time with nothing getting resolved. Ouiet frankly I'm tired of chasing the same ole rabbit down the hole...so I'm gona let them cook themselves.

R Gruppe was out at the Vintage races today.
Tomorrow some will be at the local AX.
Anyone else running there cars here??

Stand up stuff Cris! The kid not accepting the full $100 was fair too.
Nothing left but for the arm chair guys to add the drama.

Arriving at the Vintage races this morning...
Jae's 400hp widebody looking good.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1065932907.jpg

exc911ence; that is one cool website you've got there.

Where was this pic (below) shot ? . ..on a "private road" in Vancover, maybe?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1065984464.jpg

The pic of my unworthy 912 was taken on a nice winding road that leads up to an observatory here in Victoria, BC. Lots of curves and hairpins as it winds up the mountain. You should come visit! :)

does this pap smear test have anything to do with the sheep mentioned in another post?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Great, I've been looking for somewhere new to park my RV. . . How's next weekend sound? :D

Kidding, of course, about the RV anyway. My wife and I do have plans to take the (unacceptably modern:rolleyes: ) SC island-hopping, around the Gulf Islands, next weekend.

I think that a certain "winding observatory road" just made thee destination list. ;)

I'll e-mail ya for details. . . and maybe you can be the admirable Porsche colleague and get back to me in, say, 4-months. . .that is the standard; right? ;)