The root causes of terrorism

[nzporsche944s2]

I just took the time to read this and for a moment I thought I had clicked on the PARF forum by accident...

Come on guys clean it up! - I actually thought the original post presented an interesting question but instead it's just degraded into name calling and personal attacks.

I avoid PARF for that very reason

[fintstone]

I just took the time to read this and for a moment I thought I had clicked on the PARF forum by accident...



Come on guys clean it up! - I actually thought the original post presented an interesting question but instead it's just degraded into name calling and personal attacks.



I avoid PARF for that very reason

They just cannot help themselves.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by nzporsche944s2

I just took the time to read this and for a moment I thought I had clicked on the PARF forum by accident...

Come on guys clean it up! - I actually thought the original post presented an interesting question but instead it's just degraded into name calling and personal attacks.

I avoid PARF for that very reason

This thread pre-dates PARF by 4 years.

[manbridge 74]

The root cause of terrorism is and has always been.... hearsay.

[red-beard]

hearsay or heresy?

[manbridge 74]

Hearsay.

[fintstone]

The root cause remains the same. They are terrorists because terrorism has proved very effective. We constantly make concessions and desert allies when pressured by terrorism. Moderate voices are silenced by terrorism. Even when we capture them, we pamper them a few years and release them.

Unfortunately for the civilized world, terrorism works. As long as we give in to it instead of eradicating it, terrorism will always be a preferred tool of our enemies.

[GH85Carrera]

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered
!!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!

That is the root of the problem.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Aurel

Terrorism, historically, can be classified in three categories:

#1- Geographical terrorism: a minority group is fighting for its independence against an oppressor that is more powerful. Since the minority group does not have an organized army, it uses terrorism to fight against its oppressor. The examples of this are numerous: The Irish against the British, the Palestinians against the Isareli, the Basques against the Spaniards, The Corses against the French…

#2- Ideological terrorism: a group with radical ideas wants to impose their ideology to the rest of their country, or to the world. Examples are communists, like the Rote Armee Faction, anarchists like the home-grown US terrorists, Religious like the Aum in Japan.

#3- Lone nut cases, or little groups with no special ideology or cause: School shootings are one example.

In the case of Al Quaeda, categories #1 and #2 could apply, and I believe that this is where a good debate can take place. There are those who say that if they were left alone in the first place, they would mind their own business, and all they want is `No infidels in their Holy Land`. And there are those say that what they want is destroy the western civilization, impose a radical version of Islam to the entire planet, which forces us to invade them and `democratize` them before they invade us…The irony of the whole situation, of course, is that they happen to be sitting on the world largest oil reserves. As a consequence, leaving them alone is not an option, and it almost looks like a happy coincidence that they are so threatening. But now, imagine what would happen if they spontaneously decided without any outside help to adopt all western values, democracy, abandon terrorism, and practice free trade of their oil, selling to the Japanese in Yens, to the Europeans in Euros, to the Chinese in Yuans and to the Americans in dollars. Would that be a satisfactory outcome to all of you ?

Aurel

#4- uncivilized, unevolved classes of sub-humans who enjoy a culture of violence and killing for any excuse they can dream up. If they don't have an outside enemy to hate and kill, they hate and kill themselves.
Which is also the answer: keep them fighting themselves and they won't have time to attack anyone else.

[Hawkeye's-911T]

#4- uncivilized, unevolved classes of sub-humans who enjoy a culture of violence and killing for any excuse they can dream up.

Although a bit of a departure from the thread theme, sammyg2's statement has credence when applied to groups such as 'boko haram' & 'is' or 'isis' whose sole intent seems to be nothing more than the butchering of as many innocents as they see fit.

JB

[fintstone]

Face it, the only way to deal with terrorists is to capitulate totally or destroy them. They will keep using terrorism as long as it is a viable tool to achieve their desired endpoint. If you give them everything they ask for today...it will not be long until they are back for more, using the same tools that got them their initial desired outcome. When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. People who have no real problem with blowing up women and children to achieve their "goals" cannot be fixed. Their "hearts and minds" are already too scrambled to "win". Help them out. Send them to paradise where they can start enjoying those virgins now.

[2porscheguy]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered
!!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!

That is the root of the problem.

Can I say +1 on that Glen?....btw how long did it take you to type that out?

[imcarthur]

It is ironic that this week with all of the Holocaust Memorials – and even a thread here on Pelican – that the response to this post – especially the last few – appear to be calling for the same thing that we are supposed to never forget. The eradication of a religion. Not just the very serious global problem of a radicalized sect or a crazed spinoff from a religion – but the whole religion – they are all guilty, right? It’s them dang Commies . . . whoops, sorry . . . it’s them danged Muslims. They’re out to git us. Keeping beating the drum boys. When do you put on the black uniforms on?

As to what causes terrorism? Hate & small-mindedness is usually essential. Unfortunately those traits are found everywhere. Just like what is being displayed here.

Ian

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

It is ironic that this week with all of the Holocaust Memorials – and even a thread here on Pelican – that the response to this post – especially the last few – appear to be calling for the same thing that we are supposed to never forget. The eradication of a religion. Not just the very serious global problem of a radicalized sect or a crazed spinoff from a religion – but the whole religion – they are all guilty, right? It’s them dang Commies . . . whoops, sorry . . . it’s them danged Muslims. They’re out to git us. Keeping beating the drum boys. When do you put on the black uniforms on?

As to what causes terrorism? Hate & small-mindedness is usually essential. Unfortunately those traits are found everywhere. Just like what is being displayed here.

Ian

I find it ironic that you somehow find similarity with Jewish Holocaust victims and the terrorists who have sworn to exterminate the Jewish people.

I also could not find anyone in this thread calling for eradicating folks purely for their religion. As always, no matter what horror islamic extremist terrorists do, they find apologists who will spin and shill for them..and make them the victim (not the poor folks they subjugate/rape/murder).

[Hawkeye's-911T]

flintstone - I concur

JB