John Kerry: Unfit for Command

[ronin]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
One of many.

nice one, Mark!

'samattah techie? a shot of your own medicine going down a bit bitter?

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
LOL!

Trying to discredit a guy who went to Vietnam and distinguished himself.

What depths won't you guys sink to?

He distinguished himself all right...Distinguished himself opportunistically, at the same time being the greatest asset the butchers of Saigon, Laos and Cambodia ever had.

The guy is pure genius.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by island911

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Mulholland
He distinguished himself all right...Distinguished himself opportunistically, at the same time being the greatest asset the butchers of Saigon, Laos and Cambodia ever had.

The guy is pure genius.

Yep, a regular "Manchurian Candidate."

One wonders how he expects to get veteran votes (unless he buys them)? Although he is one of the greatest heroes of the Vietnam War....for the North Vietnamese. He must be proud to have been so often honored in the '70s and '90s in their press and to be currently honored in their war museum.

I wonder if Benedict Arnold would have been supported for president by Washington's men who served at Valley Forge 35 years later if he *****ed a lot about the War of 1812 and promised them lots of other people's money?

[techweenie]

I guess you missed the point -- again -- that Kerry has already gotten widespread veterans support and that's what helped him get the nomination.

Not everyone reads and swallows the Republican propaganda so readily.

Bronze star, silver star. Deal with it.

---------my response, since you guys seem to have missed it -----------
I think it's legitimate to ask for details of Kerry's Vietnam record, because Kerry has made it a part of his campaign.

All it takes is a little digging and you see the entire 'Swift Boat' attack is pasted together from the campaign dirty tricks book. People who gave Kerry glowing praise 35 years ago are now trying to backpedal. One guy is trying to discredit one of Kerry's five service medals, but his account is in conflict with the doctor's notes at the time. The leaders of the group are longtime Republican campaign managers and contributors, so I dismiss the book as backlash for Kerry's later disavowal of actions in Vietnam.

In fact, it's Vietnam veterans who played a large role in winning Kerry the nomination.

On the other hand, there's the article Mark linked to -- one of several -- questioning the recent behavior of GWB at a July 8 press conference. Behavior that combined with other actions -- such as the infamous 'pretzel incident' make one question, at minimum, the state of health of the guy. I put this up without endorsement, butr asking if we should ahve access to the current prescription drug intake of the President. Some may recall that Bush1 also was on mood-management drugs, which adds, i think, further legitimacy to the question.

As for the 'remote diagnosis' in the article, well, I saw that done many times when Clinton was in office, along with every conspiracy theory in the world essentially suggesting the Clintons were mass murderers. I think by comparison, asking about the mental state of the President is quite legitimate.

[techweenie]

Never posted by Mulholland:

[350HP930]

Well, we know mrs bush has killed someone, can we say the same about mrs heinz?

I still wanna know whether she was dui when she blew through that stop sign or if she just thought she felt that the sign only applied to other people.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
I guess you missed the point -- again -- that Kerry has already gotten widespread veterans support and that's what helped him get the nomination.

Although this is widely "reported," I know from personal experience that it is not true.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Well, we know mrs bush has killed someone, can we say the same about mrs heinz?

I still wanna know whether she was dui when she blew through that stop sign or if she just thought she felt that the sign only applied to other people.

You know that according to witnesses as well as the ticket that she was not. It is good to hear from folks who have never accidently broken a traffic law or had a traffic accident or ticket.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
Never posted by Mulholland:

tech
Who is the person on the left next to the retouched picture of Heinz?

[ronin]

a photochop of dubya's weef

[cegerer]

Kerry served in Vietnam and should be credited with that just like everyone else who was there. However, I question the character of somebody who engaged in this type of activity:

"Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.

"Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."

[ubiquity0]

Did he lose all the film? Or did he forget to load the camera?

[techweenie]

Originally posted by ubiquity0
Did he lose all the film? Or did he forget to load the camera?

Or is it all made up?

The Swift Boat Kerry haters are lead by a couple bigtime Republican operatives.

If the Righties are going to discount anything Carville says, I think we can discount whatever the Republican hit squads say -- especially since a couple of the Swift Boat guys were already caught in lies.

I suppose the Dems could do the same about GWB, if anybody could remember "serving" with him.

Originally posted by techweenie
Or is it all made up?

The Swift Boat Kerry haters are lead by a couple bigtime Republican operatives.

Care to name them?

[nullh2o]

John O'Neil?

From Houston, TX. Partner in the law firm Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson & Fulkerson, specializing in "Toxic tort and environmental litigation and [a]ll aspects of oil and gas disputes, including those involving leasing, working interest accounting, gas contract pricing, take or pay claims, farmout, gas balancing, cogeneration, royalty claims, international arbitrations, construction complaints, environmental and trade secret litigation". Interesting client list:

Brio Site Task Force
(Defense – Environmental)

Core Laboratories, Inc.
(Major Contract and Acquisition Matters)

Duke Energy Trading & Marketing, L.L.C.

Duke Field Services, Inc.

Eastman Kodak Company
(Major Contract Matters, Products Liability)

Elementis Chromium, Inc.
(Environmental Matters)

EOG Resources, Inc.

(Trade Secret, Gas Contract Pricing, Gas Processing Construction)

ExxonMobil Corporation
(Oil and Gas Matters)

General Electric Company
(Industrial and Commercial Products Liability)

Koch Industries
(Major Contract and Environmental Matters)

Leviton Manufacturing Company, Inc.
(Products Liability)

MidAmerican Energy Corp.

Mitchell Energy & Development Corp.
(Royalty, Take or Pay, Oil and Gas Contracts, Environmental Matters)

Reliant Energy — Houston Lighting & Power Company

Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company
(Major Contract Matters)

Not to mention that he has been employed as a right-wing PAP smear artist since Nixon discovered him in '71:

"June 16, 1971: Oval Office meeting with John O’Neill
Nixon: I really feel that what you’re doing, you’ll take brickbats, you go on some of these TV shows like the Cavett thing, you’re gonna get banged, but – you’ll get terribly discouraged and say the whole country’s – and so forth. But I think ya gotta remember, uh, you have to remember, that uh, that uh, now {unintelligible] in Vietnam should be enough, that now you would have the [unint] to get back and reassure people that those few that come back – like Kerry and the rest – don’t speak for all.

[snip]

Nixon: That’s great. Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got – and I think it’s a great service to the country."

[350HP930]

And even more info about this 'organization' for those who suck at the internet.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

So what are you guys saying? Are you saying that some longstanding conservatives are working in an organization to expose the truth about thrice purple heart winning.....John Kerry. And are you saying that this organization includes Admirals, Naval offiers as well as enlisted sailors? Well, I guess the group has no credibility then. Thank you for clearing that up.

[svonkampen]

Do you people really think, George Bush Jr......would have had any success in Politics had his father not been Prez, War Hero and Director of the CIA???

Pleeeeaaaassssseee get real.......

In this time of "global economics".........

Can you say Daimler-Chrysler ?????

Internationalism is vital!!!!!!

George Jr. has totally destroyed this!!!

He's a joke.......

btw......apparently he's taking yet another vacation prior to the Rep. Convention.......

If as Prez you decide to start a war......isn't it a good idea to limit your R&R time???

George Bush Jr = Attention Deficit Disorder

[Moneyguy1]

O'Neill is an attorney? I thought that being an attorney was a bad thing....