looking for wayne krieger

[regency]

Yes, this dip***** WK / RK uses "fool" along with all the bad spelling too.

Steve

73 911 T MFI Coupe, Aubergine

[python]

i know right where this dirtbag is....

[ljowdy]

4 years ago, he had a shop on the grounds of Infinion (Sears Point) He called his shop "Sears Point Classics"

[tabs]

Originally Posted by ty901

dporschepartsman is a legit business


his response to negative feedback almost always involves blaming someone else (the shipper, etc.) and he is fond if referring to the buyer as a "fool".

This is indicative of what he really thinks of his customers...

Sooner than later with the rep he is building he is going to be right anybody who does biz with this guy is a FOOL.

[SpawnyWhippet]

I put a deposit on a 1969 blue 'Bruce Anderson built' 911E that Rich Krieger is selling today (www.ebay.com/itm/171161972825), then subsequently found this thread.

He is currently operating a business called 'Air Cooled Engines' from Petaluma (ebay ID is porsche-aircooled-engines), with another premises rented at 540a Barnevalde St, San Francisco. He has been spectacularly difficult to meet to view the car, and cancelled many appointments or did not show up at all.

The business does not seem very official, with no signage, his work order sheet was on headed paper Born2nfast with that crossed out and written 'Air Cooled Engines' in pen right next to it.

I noticed during the inspection that the number on the A pillar VIN plate was missing, but thought nothing of it at the time. On closer inspection, do these VIN's seem unusual to anyone? The one stamped into the chassis by the smugglers box seems very irregular, but I have not seen that many of them.

The car is missing most of its history and paperwork, he says it is matching numbers but has not yet shown any evidence of this. My instinct tells me to run away, but I will lose my deposit, and I think I will lose my last chance of an affordable 911E?

[regency]

SpawnyWhippet

I was scammed by this low-life guy. The engine he "built" for me was a complete boat anchor, had to completely start over. Everything he said to me was complete BS and I mean everything. I heard every excuse known to mankind.

Steve

1973 911 T MFI Coupe, Aubergine

[creaturecat]

calling biketoride95 ............... offer still holds?

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by SpawnyWhippet

I put a deposit on a 1969 blue 'Bruce Anderson built' 911E that Rich Krieger is selling today (Porsche 911 Coupe Mild RS Tribute | eBay), then subsequently found this thread.

He is currently operating a business called 'Air Cooled Engines' from Petaluma (ebay ID is porsche-aircooled-engines), with another premises rented at 540a Barnevalde St, San Francisco. He has been spectacularly difficult to meet to view the car, and cancelled many appointments or did not show up at all.

The business does not seem very official, with no signage, his work order sheet was on headed paper Born2nfast with that crossed out and written 'Air Cooled Engines' in pen right next to it.

I noticed during the inspection that the number on the A pillar VIN plate was missing, but thought nothing of it at the time. On closer inspection, do these VIN's seem unusual to anyone? The one stamped into the chassis by the smugglers box seems very irregular, but I have not seen that many of them.

The car is missing most of its history and paperwork, he says it is matching numbers but has not yet shown any evidence of this. My instinct tells me to run away, but I will lose my deposit, and I think I will lose my last chance of an affordable 911E?

You've read this thread. Now you know what you've gotten into. The fact you actually saw and inspected a car is major. Believe absolutely nothing of what he told you. Believe only what you actually see with your own eyes. If you decide to buy the car, pick it up in person and pay only when all documents are in your hand and the car is on your trailer. Assume you bought a car of unknown condition and quality at an outrageous price. Or, cut your loss and lose your deposit.

[Steve Carlton]

What about eBay buyer protection?

[SpawnyWhippet]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Can anyone confirm that those VIN's look authentic or not? I couldn't start scraping off the thick coverage of paint around the smugglers box VIN number to check that it hasn't just been welded in. It does look very irregular for a factory VIN though.

I paid the deposit in cash, so ebay is unlikely to help. Do I have a legal or police recourse to get my deposit back if the car is misrepresented? Although from what I have read here, it seems he would just keep my deposit and ignore any legal action I take.

[speeder]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Can anyone confirm that those VIN's look authentic or not? I couldn't start scraping off the thick coverage of paint around the smugglers box VIN number to check that it hasn't just been welded in. It does look very irregular for a factory VIN though.

I paid the deposit in cash, so ebay is unlikely to help. Do I have a legal or police recourse to get my deposit back if the car is misrepresented? Although from what I have read here, it seems he would just keep my deposit and ignore any legal action I take.

The VIN #s look normal enough to me in those photos. What would possess you to give him a cash deposit without knowing exactly what you're buying or taking the car? You might be screwed if the car has been misrepresented.

This is a real cautionary tale for anyone reading it in the future. This guy is about the world champion when it comes to thieving scumbags but there are plenty of other small-time scumbags selling bad cars on the internet.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by SpawnyWhippet

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Can anyone confirm that those VIN's look authentic or not? I couldn't start scraping off the thick coverage of paint around the smugglers box VIN number to check that it hasn't just been welded in. It does look very irregular for a factory VIN though.

I paid the deposit in cash, so ebay is unlikely to help. Do I have a legal or police recourse to get my deposit back if the car is misrepresented? Although from what I have read here, it seems he would just keep my deposit and ignore any legal action I take.

From what I can see, the VIN look o.k.

With regard to your query about recourse, remember you are dealing with a long time con-artist. He has very clearly stated not to buy or put a deposit down until the car has been inspected. That will be his defense as you had the opportunity to challenge anything at all about the car before putting down any money. No, the police will not get involved because there has been no crime. Your recourse will be in court, and from what I can see at this point, you have a very weak case. Very little documentation of his claims? It was your choice to put money down anyway. Numbers matching? The only way to prove that is to have the COA from Porsche. You should have demanded he have one.

I have read his description in the ad and there is very little there that is not open to interpretation. Even his description of the work done leaves open the question of when it was done. Very sneaky. He never says he actually performed any of the service or upgrades, and those that are able to be traced--like the FI rebuild--are not enough to warrant a misrepresentation if it wasn't done, he'll simply claim he was defrauded. Most everything else in the ad is subjective as well and not subject to charges of fraud ("did a leak down, it was fine." He never posted the numbers for inspection. Did you ask for them?)

In short, you got caught in a professional con man's scheme. He has not said nor written anything that constitutes legal fraud. He knew what he was doing and saying. All things he "represented" about the car are subjective or generalized. He never mentions the quality of any work done, only that it was done.

As I said in my previous post, you do have a choice. You can purchase the car and roll the dice, knowing the reputation of the seller, and risk putting the same amount of money into it, again, to make it right. You can cut your losses and give up your deposit. You can then sue, if you wish, but IMO your chances for any recovery are very slim. At least if the deposit was under $10K, you can try in Small Claims to recover and it will cost you only filing fees. On the slim chance you get a judgement, you still have to collect.

[70SATMan]

Search Born2BFast on the Early S Registry.

That is all.

[sammyg2]

Paging cousin Guido ......

[RWebb]

Whippet - you should also post that VIN query on Early911S bbs - they are experts on originality

[G60SuperCharger]

Wow...the auction states the seller has over 1400 feedbacks at 100% positive!?!?

[MBAtarga]

Originally Posted by G60SuperCharger

Wow...the auction states the seller has over 1400 feedbacks at 100% positive!?!?

You have to look at the details - 100% positive includes only the last 12 months - and also includes buying activity as well - not just as a seller.

[LeeH]

Closed ebay auction on this car by the same seller has an 888 phone number. That phone number also appears in this thread in the parts for sale section.

[Steve Carlton]

How much of a deposit did you give him?

[GWN7]

I'll take a picture of my Vin plate from my 69 E tomorrow so you can compare them.