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Originally posted by audi2.7t
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1106622096.gif

what happened to my confused thoughts a while ago/again when I posted my religious pic is perfectly explained by your pic.

I related this thread subject to that bible guy who climbed the mt to take a dump. Those mideast spices caused a nearby bush to take fire. He was so loaded that he tripped into seeing God. He took notes and his family saved the insight.

So I related the burning bush to a warm bush for a religious experience.. me bad.

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Originally posted by jm951
I can agree with reporting it as spam, but if you think this forum your personal property.....

Like watching TV, don't like the show, change the channel.

If I considered the forum "my personal property" I would be reacting strongly against the censorship of nudity and the (infrequent) posts favouring recreational drugs and their current or past use.

However, I agree: if one doesn't like the show, change the channel. Z-man - can we apply the concept to naked ladies?

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Originally posted by Milu
I reported this post before the first reply and I am sure I was not the only one.

kool , as I did afterwards

The fact that you might agree with the content is fine. I actually read and found parts offensive. We are both within our rights in this. If you had posted it, I would either have ignored it or debated the matter with you. I am sure you would have replied. THIS IS A SPAMMER. Not a first time poster.

yep all agreed

I cannot be forced to believe, but I can object to being preached at, especially by a one post wonder.

yep thats right, but as I was trying to say, phrases such as "imposing views on others" keep getting bandied around. I simply can't agree that you can impose your views on a mature mind (well thats 10% of the board :eek: ). You could swing somone round to your POV if they are sitting on the bench, and I suppose if a person's mind is not totally closed you could swing round a person from one POV to another. But simply by stating somthing you believe in wether it is true or not, you can't impose that view, the other person/s will simply disagree or ignore it.

As it happens and already stated I object to people knocking on my door and even presuming that I may want to listen to them. I value my privacy and my reaction is very strong. even if polite in the first instance. Mendicants, preachers, door to door vendors and other no goods do not usually choose to try a second time.

no argument there good buddy. However my point was if somone knocked on your door and was polite enough and the person answering was in a good mood, that is a totally different scenario. Not everyone reacts the same, not everyone is adverse to call calling. Personally I never buy/sign anything at the door, regardless, if I am interested I will ask for literature.

Go back a few years, Jehovahs Witnesses would always get a door slam, now I'd just probably argue them till they go away.

Another example, my car broke down on 2 occasions and I knocked on 2 peoples doors and in one instance I was allowed to use the phone the and other the guy helped me jump start my car !

Just because you may find the majority of people dont like cold calling and appreciate privacy, does not mean that the others don't. And it also means that people should not try , unless of course it is illegal in your state due to privacy/traspass laws ;)

The original thread, (ok we UNDERSTAND its spam) if it "was" a proper thread, was the equivalent of somone kncoking on your door and just kick starting cold into a jabber of spew.

Graphics and replies tasteless? Perhaps, but I have a very sick sense of humour so I thought they were funny and more respectful than KK deserved.

I think we all do to an extent, what I was trying to get across, maybe not clearly, was in this thread and others, theres plenty of crap that gets posted, sick graphcs, graphics which portray he female form , some which Z-man and other mods have removed, slogans, cusses, sexual implications etc etc.

Just as somone might find a boring non-grammitical post/thread on religion "highly inflamatory", "impinging on there rights", "imposing there view" or simply finding offensive. Is it beyond the realms of reason that another might view the other side the same.

I just find it interesting that a discussion of God or religion on this or any other board is met with "this is highly offensive" and ends in a slanging match. Where as post a thread with females with there hooters hanging out, will usually get you "hey man nice chick" or occasionally "this is not a correct pic for a board wihich may be viwed by children" but the adults will generally not have a problem. I think there is more going on in that respect and interesting "as a Christian" You cant talk about God, but Porn is pretty dayem fine ???

BTE as a laugh, in the uk, Sunday trading laws... you can NOT buy a bible on your way to church, but you can buy a Pornographic magazine... yep its illegal ! :confused: :confused:

I still don't understand what is meant by witnessing or what you mean by it. It sounds like jargon and it is starting to seem obnoxious, especially so if the opening post is an example.

ok Milu, that is a fair enough question. I'll try and break it down for, from "my" perspective and "generally". This post as we agree is spam and not relevant in this way or method, however a small grain is there...I'll explain...

As a Christian to witness, by defintion is "tell/state what has happened either in your life or others as a result of your/there faith."

A good analogy is "I survived my car wreck in the Porsche, this is due to the fine skills of the designers"

"My wife makes dayem fine beef steak"

You'd need to be a bit mad (a little rude) to kncok on peoples doors or stand on the street corner shouting or saying "My wife makes dayem fine beef steak"

Wether its true or wether you "only" belive it to be true.

Generally the majority of witnessing happens usually in Church, or at peoples homes, usually to people who can either relate or are on the fence, simply even just for support.

And again in church people generally dont just get up and start talking, as the pastor would turf the out ;) you are generaly asked to witness, just as you would do in a court of law.

People witness to all kinds of things in different ways both on this board and in ordinary life. And 90% of it has nothing to do with religion "The nicks are the best team" "I love ER" "my ricer can beat your audi"

Simply by stating my own views I am witnessing to an extent, if you check either my site, or my signature I am witnessing to some extent or another.

You need balls (be a bit mad or extremly brave) to go up to a totall stranger or knock on a door and do the full on christian witness. Remembering that they could knock you on your arse, or in some countries kill or persecute you. I could'nt do that.

Alternativly asuming mental illness is not the reason (I knew a guy who marched up and down the high street in a white robe dragging a massive cross !) The bible say's that we should spread God's word, (to witness) how you do it is totally up to you.

The shear fact that this thread is staying at the top means that the orginal post is being read and the "word" in one form or another is, the debate between you and me is happening is testatment that whilst the orignal thread might have been rubbish
the topic is being discussed and that is an effect.

If no one had replied or this had been locked up, the thread would have gone away, and I would not have been able to air my POV on this... now thats :cool:

As you say, time for a coffee (Irish in my case) and Buffy the vampire slayer on TV.

its only 10:17am, have had my coffee and salad french stick (or sub as you guys say)

I'm not trying to drag anyone to any POV and I totally appreciate and respect your POV as well. As Voltaire said "I might not agee with you but I will fight to my last breath for your right to air your view"

Anyone else readin this feel free to slam me....like I care!

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Originally posted by Milu
Z-man - can we apply the concept to naked ladies?

now your getting it :)

Extremely well put, Adrian. You have to understand that here in the U.S., a non-Christian's "right" to never hear or read anything having to do with Christianity far transcends a Christian's right to ever even whisper his beliefs in public. Opposing points of view, such as gay rights, pro-abortion, evolution, and so on are freely discussed. Any hint that you may have differing opinions on these matters is met with vile hatred and name-calling by the "intellectually superior", ""enlightened", and above all "diverse" generally left-leaning non-believers. Their version of "diversity" has and never will include Christianity. Granted, I aggree whole-heartedly that Miss Kitty's post was entirely innappropriate. That information is out there for those who want it. Granted, too, there is an awfull lot of equally useless crap posted here that never elicits anywhere near as strong of a reaction. Christianity, in this country, is well up towards the top of the list of "hot button" issues. Knowing that, I will never speak up unless asked. I will bend over backwards to respect folks' "right" to never hear my point of view, even though theirs is crammed down my throat (and up my arse) pretty much every day.

Hey Jeff,
thankxs, I re-read my speil and wondered wether my gramma and smelling pistakes would be understood ;)

I have no problem with peoples rights or views, I think it's fundamental, to our freedoms.

Most people associate the US with people fleeing from there home countries from persecution, for freedom, of speech, to worship, to political views.

But it's not as clear cut as that.

When you look at slavery and the civil rights riots, macarthyism, the witch hunts, et al...

I can not and will not agree or submit to a POV that I feel to be wrong on either religious or moral grounds. All be it the moral majority OR minority.

A really good film I saw was "Time Changer" and it really does put things into perspective. I don't believe in co-incidence, I dont think that things "just" happen. I've been through too much i$ht for that.

I'm interested to find out wether America is a Christian country, if not why does it say 1) one nation indivisible under God, and 2) on the back of every dollar bill saying "In God we trust".

People can't use God as a slogan or an excuse for democracy. Or when they simply feel like it cos it makes them look good in the polls.

I think somone also said earlier, if you feel so strong about Christian views, don't partake in Christian Holidays and just go into work on Christmas Day ! ;)

I don't celebrate Ramadan or Ede, I don't get time off for yom ki poor or Divali. BUt I respect thoes that do and I expect them to respect me and my views.

Happy Holidays,,,, whats with that ? :grr:
It's happy Christmas..

laters bud

Ade

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Originally posted by adrian jaye

I'm interested to find out wether America is a Christian country, if not why does it say 1) one nation indivisible under God, and 2) on the back of every dollar bill saying "In God we trust".

People can't use God as a slogan or an excuse for democracy. Or when they simply feel like it cos it makes them look good in the polls.

Ade

God, Christ, Christianity and the American founding fathers is another huge topic.

I make it a point to sin as much as possible so Jesus won't have died in vain. :D

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Originally posted by adrian jaye
I'm interested to find out wether America is a Christian country, if not why does it say 1) one nation indivisible under God, and 2) on the back of every dollar bill saying "In God we trust".

Actually none of that stuff was there till the 1950s when a bunch of right wingers decided to add that stuff to the pledge and our money to show those godless communists who was boss.

The facts are that colonists came to this land to get away from countries that were trying to shove a brand of religion down their throat that they did not agree with.

We non christians are just fighting the same fight when we don't want schools forcing our kids to pray to some fairy tale man in the sky we don't believe in or having his name plastered on our money and state facilities.

I imagine a lot of right wingers would change their mind about school prayer, the pledge and our money if the prayer was jewish or the pledge or money referred to mohammed instead of god.

I have heard that GW ( born again Christian) believes he has direct communication with god. Is this true (that he believes this)? If so, what happened to the separation of church and state? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My Canadian perspective is that this would never hold water (in Canada).Why is it alright to belittle people (such as the originator of this post) but if you mention this with regards to GW (where this belief could have serious damage potential) one us considered a pinko communist left wing traitor?

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Originally posted by creaturecat
I have heard that GW ( born again Christian) believes he has direct communication with god. Is this true (that he believes this)? If so, what happened to the separation of church and state? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My Canadian perspective is that this would never hold water (in Canada).Why is it alright to belittle people (such as the originator of this post) but if you mention this with regards to GW (where this belief could have serious damage potential) one us considered a pinko communist left wing traitor?

The office of the President must be seen seperately from what any particular president may beleive. The neo Cons are at great pains maintain that seperation. Maybe, the US will one day elect an Islamic President. Ahem. However the Fundie Xtian vote got GWB and his crew of meo con nutbags in. Or more importantly, the Fundies have worked towards marshlling votes behind a candidate they have produced. The rise of the Christian Right is upon us.

When GWB talks about evil doers, our beliefs, our freedoms, the haters etc- its a code. We may hear words of reason, but to the faithful, ie kityty Kat, its a call to Crusade, or Jihad, as it were.

One nation under God. Thanks, Joe McCarthy.

Stuart

I think Rove has the ear of God - GW is along to make history.

BTW: Who the **** cares, this is still the best place on Earth.

Jesus saves...but Moses invests.

...............BTW: Who the fu(k cares, this is still the best place on Earth. [/B][/QUOTE]

the fact that you (collectively) don't give a fu(k is one of the reasons it is no longer the best place on earth- if it ever was.- good luck with your war induced deficit!

:) :) :)

Hmm - three days since Kitty Katie has posted, yet no response from her in this thread. I was hoping she'd have something more to say...

-Z-man.

PS: Can you all please ease up on the Christian bashing... discussing different beliefs is fine, but slamming someone for their faith is not cool. Thanks.

I agree, Z-man.

You might want to put the kibosh on this thread as well.

Of course we give a **** - once again for the umpteen zillionth time: the war is justified - even Albright agrees - too many resolutions broken, the UN is broken and there is no one else with a bag to step up.

and ya know, for a country with as much to offer as Canada (more fresh water and petro than anyone else!), why aren't you more of a world influence?

The US thinks about sneezing, China makes Walmart more tissues. This country rocks and calls the shots - you just can't hack liv'n in the wake. Fact is - many people around the globe look at Canada as a cold version of Cal. Funny thing, many I have talked to in Canada think they will be part of the US in 50 years - funny, no one in this country even considers it.

Kitty Thief has her (his) rights to rant - but with that right comes the chance of getting debated or called out.

Ifyour gonna play, bring your chops cuz some play for keeps.

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the fact that you (collectively) don't give a **** is one of the reasons it is no longer the best place on earth- if it ever was.- good luck with your war induced deficit!
:) :) :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually, it's not war induced, just increased by it... hopefully it'll go down when we own all that excess mid-east oil AND Canada
:D