Looting and my Grandpa

[jyl]

I agree with fint on this one. I don't care that much about TVs or Nikes, but order has to be maintained. Otherwise looters will move on to violent crimes and to looting hospitals and so on.

[Victor]

Oddly, just watching the news now there is footage of police pointing rifles at looters (hand to hand range) telling them to "drop it or else". Looked like the looters where holding bundles of clothing of some sort.

Made me wonder what they would have been allowed to do if the dude had not dropped the loot?

There was also footage of women rummaging through a semi-destroyed mall taking water, nappies etc. for thier kids.

Where do you draw the line before killing someone? Tough times.

And the footage of the prison? Inmates desperately scrambling to higher ground under those bars - too bizarre.

[DaveE]

Originally posted by Joeaksa

PS, Since you have sold your Porsche and are now driving a Suburu, is there a reason why you are on the Pelican Porsche forum?

Next we could shoot anyone on the Pelican site without a Porsche. Lets go after those damn liberal looters first. Then next we could shoot.........

[Victor]

Ahh yes Dave but you would have to catch me in your old rusty vintage car(s) first.

Unless of course you have high calibre long range sniper rifles and matching shooting skills...

[artplumber]

For those with soft hearts for the looters (and not those just getting food), the latest is that after some looters stole weapons they started kicking the residents of a nursing home out because there were stockpiles of food in the home. Also more car jackings and threats to healthcare workers have at least one ambulance company pulling their paramedics from parts of the city.

[Victor]

Live on CNN now - shots are being fired on military rescue helicopters near the superdome. Some of you guys are whacked man.

[Eric 951]

NO is currently under martial law. The police could have shot the looters had they refused to "drop it" without any ramifications. Same goes for anyone considering a lawsuit--can't be filed if an incident occured during a period of martial law. Even the authorities have raided Office Max, etc. and seized equipment to help set-up mobile command centers.
Victor, please don't make light of this situation, as this is the worst environmental disaster which has ever struck the US, and the worst disaster period since 9/11--there are many dead, and many still dying, the total ramifications of this hurricane will not be known for months, and it will take that entire area years to return to a semblance of normalcy. NO proper will recover quicker than areas such as Gulfport, MS--I have worked in Gulfport, and it was a fairly poor area to begin with, and I believe it will never recover.

[MFAFF]

Interesting thread but a bit beside the point....Katrina was hardly unexpected....so one has to ask the question as to why the law enforcement/ National Guard were not mobilised in sufficent numbers and on a sufficent quick response time to be 'on the ground' to deter this type of activity....

I agree that its the principle of maintenance of civility and respect of the law that must be maintained but by using such a method... no intrinsically enshrine in law, you are risking hypocrisy....

I'd much prefer to see them gun down but at times I have to rein myself in....

[pyro57]

Originally posted by Victor
Did you think at all before typing that crap?

I say shoot all looting Americans like dogs! YEIPPEE!

Victor,

Why bring Dogs into this? did you see dog's doing any looting? are you biased against dogs? do you hate liberal or conservative dogs? maybe we should blame the dogs behavior on Bush .maybe if we give the dogs a chance they'll see the error of their ways.

Shoot the looters, not the dogs!

[Mule]

This is simple anyone brandishing a weapon on the street is a target. Doesn't matter if you are a cop, national guard or average citizen, see somebody on the street brandishing a weapon, drop 'em like a used condom.

[targa911S]

Originally posted by tabs
The concept of Man being Civilized is overated.....it's the Dark side that really is only kept at bay....

Now there is the truth! Instead of shooting the looter, I think they should just shoot the plasma TV to make it worthless. Stop and confiscate anything that is not survival goods. Although I don't think that is a realistic situation. I believe that marshall law is the only answer. Stop with extreme prejudice. It will at least set the tone. I would NOT have wanted to be in that town last night.

[RoninLB]

reported this am that some guy shot his sister in the head over ice cubes.

[85eurocarrera]

I am more concerned about all the "white collar" crime thats going to happen, ie fraud and stuff like that. Think we should shoot these guys first!

Whoops.

[targa911S]

And the insanity begins.

[RickM]

Originally posted by MFAFF
Interesting thread but a bit beside the point....Katrina was hardly unexpected....so one has to ask the question as to why the law enforcement/ National Guard were not mobilised in sufficent numbers and on a sufficent quick response time to be 'on the ground' to deter this type of activity....

You're 100% right that it wasn't unexpected. So why, tell me why, didn't these people evacuate as they were told to. They had two days.

If you say they didn't think it would be this severe then that's your answer for the complex mobilization of NG and other forces taking this long.

[928ram]

Interesting thread but a bit beside the point....Katrina was hardly unexpected....so one has to ask the question as to why the law enforcement/ National Guard were not mobilised in sufficent numbers and on a sufficent quick response time to be 'on the ground' to deter this type of activity....

Although they are getting better at landfall predictions IMO; hurricanes are historically non-cooperative in regards to hitting where they are "supposed" to. This tends to close the window for being in the right place.

Many/most of those folks who are working tirelessly to help also have families and homes which they had to take care of too, they have to take care of their own as well as others. All of the vehicles (lands, sea, air) had to be move far enough from harm's way to be available for rescue efforts, then brought back after danger has passed.

Alot of logistics involved, but far better to deal with the looting scumbags after the fact than to not have the assets available to help the good people.

[RoninLB]

one trapped person said he was told so many times to leave in past hurricanes to leave and nothing happened.

[928ram]

You're 100% right that it wasn't unexpected. So why, tell me why, didn't these people evacuated as they were told to. They had two days.

Leaving aside the folks who just had no way to get out, I think in these situations you are always going to have the naysayers and those who won't leave their "stuff". Self-preservation is a little weak in some people I guess.

[Z-man]

So while Americans are in upheaval about all this looting, the gas companies are quickly raising the prices of petrol to unheard of prices.

If you're looking for looters, just drive up to the local Exxon/Mobil.

Though I think the looting that's going on in NO is disgusting, I can somewhat understand the mentality - "I've lost everything, and I've got nothing left. I'm mad, tired, hungry - I want revenge." So all this negative energy results in evil things happening. Still not justifyable, though.

Should we be allowed to shoot the looting oil execs as well? What is worse? Looting in NO, or the raping of the consumer that's going on at the gas stations?

Discuss amongst yourselves,
-Z.

[RickM]

Anyone see "The Factor" last night?

O'Reilly challenged the oil companies to lower prices by 15%. He essentially called them out as Z has.

He also suggested that Bush call on OPEC today to ask for cuts as well.