What if 250,000 people protested and nobody noticed?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose to turbocanuck
Care to allow me perusal of your citation?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by bryanthompson

what's so unreasonable about this quote?

Here is the complete text of his speech. He even talks about WMDs. Hmmm....

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/warandpeace/wpeacerace.htm

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
We tried for a peaceful resolution ... greatest butchers in the world sat on the Human Rights Commission.

Did you try spending $200b? No.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
[B]what's so unreasonable about this quote?

Here is the complete text of his speech. He even talks about WMDs. Hmmm....

It is inherently misleading...Republicans are the ones who passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, so for a socialist to use the quote is simply self-serving disinformation...Disinformation propagated by a movement (anti-war) that aligns itself with an ideology (communism/socialism) that has amounted to over 100 million deaths in the last century.

Martin Luther King, unfortunately, was what Stalin called a "useful idiot"...He was, unfortunately, working for the enemy simultaneous to his fight for equal rights...That enemy was socialism, an enemy that historically has proven itself opposed to freedom and liberty, an enemy that historically has been the philosophical underpinning of pure evil.

[CamB]

What percentage of the 100m deaths are due to socialism, rather than communism.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose to Cam
If we did take your advice, Cam, and take the peaceful approach, the human chippers would still be in operation, the rape rooms would be open for business, the children's prisons would be full, the mass graves would be filling up quick...Why didn't the UN stop these attrocities upon their inspections?...Did they not see them?...Were they blind?...Or were they just a show of enforcement that had no interest in stopping the madman's human rights violations and weapons development?

We tried, it failed, Saddam had a relationship with world-wide terrorism that is irrefutable...9-11 demonstrated the tree had to be struck at the root, Saddam was a part of the root structure.

[CamB]

You didn't try hard enough. It was working (no WMD) - but not well enough (funding regional terrorism, human rights abuses, Saddam clinging to power).

So instead of trying harder you blasted in there with a crappily thought out plan to get rid of a foreign leader who was not a threat to you. Worse - it was against the wishes of most of your allies.

You should accept that diplomatic solutions take time and are filled with compromise - the alternative is war, and you tacitly approve of it as long as the end justifies the means. Would it be ok if China invaded North Korea tomorrow?

[turbocarrera]

Mul, both you and I.. well, not you. Both Winston Churchill and I know that Western Capitalism financed the Bolshevik Revolution and gave rise to the USSR - and the money they would make. Your system of economic enslavement was the source of that evil, Mul.

Disreali had simliar opinions, but here's Winston's thoughts on the matter:

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx,Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this conspiracy has been steadily growing. It played a recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution and has been the mainspring of every subversive movement of the 19th century. And now, at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." - Winston Churchill (London Press 1922)

Laissez-faire capitalism is the greatest evil we face, Mul. If, in the course of researching this topic, you think you might have a psychotic break, please, quit reading and see a shrink.

[CamB]

I wouldn't go so far as to say laissez-faire capitalism is evil - it just needs to be monitored and treated for what it is. If allowed to its logical conclusion, it'd drive some stunning inequality and destruct the environment.

In other news, socialist Scandanavian countries are not struggling to remain competitive due to their socialist structures, which further suggests that a welfare state isn't evil and there must be shades of grey in there somewhere:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2005-09-28T145802Z_01_SPI847168_RTRUKOC_0_US-ECONOMY-COMPETITIVENESS.xml

[nostatic]

how come we have 3rd world wireless services in the US?

Yes, I know the answer (at least part of it), but our "capitalism" seems to have us seriously lagging behind other more "socialist" countries wrt this critical technology.

Then again, US good, everyone else evil. I keep forgetting...

[BillyIdaho]

Originally posted by nostatic
Then again, US good, everyone else evil. I keep forgetting...

You are close, Nostatic...1/2 of the US is good, the rest are
commies/baby killing/atheistic jew hating hippies who are evil with the rest of the world. Havn't you been paying attention?

Here is a picture of some of the evil half of US citizens being there unpatriotic selves at the rally - look at at all them thar hippies!

[island911]

Originally posted by CamB
Did you try spending $200b? No.

How exactly would that work?

. .was Ikea having a special on deep-cleaning dictator removal in a bottle?

.. .Oh, you must mean, if we bribed the French and the UN with more than they were already extorting. (?)

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by CamB
So instead of trying harder you blasted in there with a crappily thought out plan to get rid of a foreign leader who was not a threat to you. Worse - it was against the wishes of most of your allies.

Crappily thought out plan compared to what Cam?...Of what precedence do you and your leftist propaganda disseminators (I am not attacking you, I am calling into question those whose theory you blindly seem to accept) whom you parrot contrive this theory?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
Mul, both you and I.. well, not you. Both Winston Churchill and I know that Western Capitalism financed the Bolshevik Revolution and gave rise to the USSR - and the money they would make. Your system of economic enslavement was the source of that evil, Mul.

So you are saying America is responsible for communist genocide?...Am I reading you clearly?...America is responsible for Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot Hitler and Saddam's extermination camps, forced labor and intentional starvation?...You are saying the heros of the left were all corrupted by American capitalism and that is what turned them into genocidal maniacs?...Am I getting that right my socialist friend?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by CamB
Did you try spending $200b? No.

What are 3,000 lives worth to you?...What about 5,000?...Howz bout 10,000?...What is the world being free of terrorism and socialist tyranny worth to you?...What is the value of preventing another Hitler or Stalin worth to you?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by BillyIdaho
Here is a picture of some of the evil half of US citizens being there unpatriotic selves at the rally - look at at all them thar hippies!

Billy...Lets suppose a disparate coalition of neo-nazis and actual nazi operatives grew their hair out and started waving peace signs. Lets suppose this group was organized with an agenda to instill a fascist (as it just hasn't been instituted purely) agenda in America and create a one-world-order, indivisible, to the swastika for which it stands...Lets imagine this group made up of Islamofascists that hate Jews, ultra-socialists (as Hitler was), and hardline segregationalist black organizations, were to come together and start an "anti-war" movement...Lets imagine that at these rallies it was more than apparent that the organization was indeed fascist, replete with swastikas, fascist party recruiting and even fascist literature available for a small donation...Now let us imagine an ideology worse than these fascists, pretending to be "anti-war"?...Would you join forces with them?

[Mulhollanddose]

[turbocarrera]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
...Am I getting that right my socialist friend?

No. You never do.

It's not American capitalism - it's capitalism, period. You didn't invent it.

A French multinational corporation buys a water utility in South Africa and then charges people 3/4 of their daily pay for the "privilege" of potable water.

The Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco rebuilt the water utility in Bolivia , were payed with money Bolivia borrowed from the World Bank - and now WTO trade agreements set the condition that Bechtel now owns the utility. WTF!?! Oh, they only charged the people 1/2 of their daily income for the "privilege" of potable water. They even bribed legislators to outlaw the gathering of rain-water. The people revolted and were shot in the streets. That is not business, "free" enterprise, or anything of the sort - it's a crime against humanity.

Canada is going to the UN to promote Monsanto's "terminator" technology: genetically engineered (GE) seeds designed to grow crops which can't reproduce. These "suicide seeds," designed solely to protect the patents and profits of multinational corporations, are currently forbidden from being planted outside the lab. The secret instructions to Canada's delegation: block consensus on any other option than testing these seeds in the wild.

Canada is attempting to launch a devastating kick in the stomach to the world's most vulnerable farmers - the 1.4 billion people who depend on farm saved seed. The Canadian government is doing the dirty work for the multinational gene giants. Even Monsanto wasn't prepared to be this upfront and nasty.

What does it mean to have all the grain on the planet grown from your seed? It's unimaginable - but it's on the way. Pure evil.

It's not the country where the charter is held, it's the charter itself. Capitalism is intrinsically and inherently amoral. It needs to be legislated, regulated, and engineered to benefit society first and foremost. When left to it's own end - it does the opposite.

Socialism baby!

[Mulhollanddose]

Dude, step away from the crack pipe...It is socialism that is the worlds greatest evil, obviously...Murdering over 100,000,000 people...Something that cannot be said of capitalism.

[turbocarrera]

Well it's you against Churchill and Einstein so far.. those damn crackheads.