The Worst Administration Since Calgulia

[tabs]

There always have been crooked politicians...just take a look at the Grant Administration.

No system is without flaws.

I think the problem is wealth and power, and everybody wanting a piece of the pie. And when belts should be tightened due to a downturn in the economy, nobody is willing to back their snounts outa the trough, and everyone is saying it's the other guy that should be the one getting cut and not them..Thus it is business as usual for better or worse.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by tabs
As long as Americans are bought off with Homes in the Burbs, SUV's in the Garage and Big Screen TV's to watch the latest sports extravangaza....they will remain fat, dumb and happy on the Bread and Circuses providedd to them. Sad but True.

The Political Process of 2 oposing political parties was corrupted when it was bought off by special interest groups giving money to both sides of the political spectrum. They win no matter who is in office.

Unfortunately in the course of human events, the only solution is for the system to get so top heavy with excess that it collapses under it's own weight. We, I believe are at the begining of the end...that transition from pragmatic practicality to self agrandizment at the expense of the system. The next step will be a defacto dictatorship...which we as citizens may allready have seen occur, that is debatable.

This is the basic mesaage that I have been preaching about for some time.

Neither party ultimately differnt from the other, they just have differnt groups of clients vying for their space at the trough of the public treasury.

Now the question is what can U do...I have yet to see anybody change the tides of the ocean...except Moses perhaps with devine intervention.....so perhaps the best thing tha tyou can do is to keep yours head up and be aware of whats really going on., because ultimately you don't want to be one of those people left standing on the deck of the Titanic as the last life boat rows away....

Hell has frozen over. I agree with Tabs. I feel the same way.

[Dan Mc Intyre]

Well, seeing as we're all playing "True Confessions", I'll admit that both sides are full of it. However, if we're going to spend a bunch of money, I'd rather see it spent on our citizens at home than given to big business as corporate welfare or spent on a BS war. So, until there is a viable alternative, I have to stick with the Democrats.

Dan

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by techweenie
Last time around, it started when a buncha terrorists threw a tea party...

Last I checked there weren't any roadside bombs, suicide bombers, or mosques targeted in the Boston Tea Party. You aren't seriously equating Islamic extremists with the Founding Fathers are you?

[techweenie]

Not sure what the history books are (or are not) teaching today, but there was a little more to our revolutionary war than throwing tea in the bay. And yes, the revolutionary fighters killed lots of people and were considered savages by the British.

[Burnin' oil]

Originally posted by techweenie
Not sure what the history books are (or are not) teaching today, but there was a little more to our revolutionary war than throwing tea in the bay. And yes, the revolutionary fighters killed lots of people and were considered savages by the British.

Nothing like a little moral relativism to start the day . . .

[Nathans_Dad]

Man Tech, I knew you were left but good Lord. Here we have daily bombings of churches and schools, bombs set off in the middle of people trying to sign up for a job, women strapping bombs to themselves so they look pregnant and then fake going into labor outside of a military checkpoint to pull troops closer before detonating, beheadings of innocent civilians, the list goes on and on.

And through all this you equate it to our Founding Fathers and the Revolutionary War.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
And through all this you equate it to our Founding Fathers and the Revolutionary War.

I'm not sure what Sup is trying to do here, but this is the Wikipedia take on the topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Terrorist_incidents

If the Marine barracks bombing was a terrorist incident then so was George Washington's attack on sleeping Hessians on Christmas Eve, 1775 (unwelcome foreign troops are present here, and we'll try to kill a lot of them by a sneak attack instead of lining up for a classical battle).

[Nathans_Dad]

I would not raise an eyebrow if the terrorists were attacking our bases or our troops. If they want to use roadside bombs then fine, that's more like guerilla warfare. If Tech wants to equate their attacks on our convoys, bases or patrols to actions in our revolutionary war then fine. I cannot, however, sit by while he equates the founding of our country to the killing of innocent civilians, many of whom were simply looking for work to put food on their table, trying to go to church to worship their God, or schoolchildren.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
If Tech wants to equate their attacks on our convoys, bases or patrols to actions in our revolutionary war then fine.

The only comparison I can see is in the defense of the "Green Zones"...........................and that's stretching it.

Did you see what Wikipedia had to say about the attack on the USS Cole?

Interesting perspective and argument examined.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I cannot, however, sit by while he equates the founding of our country to the killing of innocent civilians, many of whom were simply looking for work to put food on their table, trying to go to church to worship their God, or schoolchildren.

You can't 'sit by'? Does that mean you'll put another sticker on your car?

There were tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens just trying to put food on their table, etc., etc. who are dead now as 'collateral' casualties of our invasion of Iraq. As a proportion of the population, that would be like 250K+ Americans being killed by a foreign army. I have a feeling that if that happened there would be more than a few 'insurgents' and roadside bombs...

But I guess for some, Iraqis arent' really full-fledged humans... maybe 3/5ths?

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by techweenie
There were tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens just trying to put food on their table, etc., etc. who are dead now as 'collateral' casualties of our invasion of Iraq.

T - do you have any links on this?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
T - do you have any links on this?

Here is an always credible socialist link... http://www.nsm88.com/articles/cost%20of%20the%20war.html

[Mulhollanddose]

[Superman]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
Oh that pesky freedom of speech!

Speech freedom is never the problem. It's freedom of commerce that's the problem.

[Nathans_Dad]

No Tech, I won't put another sticker on my car, in fact the only sticker on my car is the US Air Force one that allows me to get on base every day to do my job. I'll remember you next time I am sent over to the middle east to defend your right to sit in your cozy home and talk about how worthless our country is on this BBS.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Ed Bighi
Actually, I don't think libertarians are all over the map at all. Their core beliefs are right in line with what most classic liberals throughout the world believe in. And that is liberty. Liberty to do whatever you want so long as nobody gets hurt or nobody gets ripped off.......... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Free_Democratic_Party_of_Switzerland

Ed is somewhat brilliant, with many notions that are spot-on. In my humble view he's also got some ideas I still consider wacky, but for the most part Ed is lucid as he!!. What I'd like to point out here is that his accurate idea of what a "liberal" really is, is both ACCURATE and the OPPOSITE of what most of you think. Contrary to what you guys are brainwashed into thinking, liberals are all about liberty. Yep. In spite of what Rush tells you each morning, and what O'Reilly tells you each evening.

[nostatic]

Never let the truth get in the way of a hard-fought narrow-minded opinion (paraphrasing).

[gaijindabe]

A short reminder:

Article [I.]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
No Tech, I won't put another sticker on my car, in fact the only sticker on my car is the US Air Force one that allows me to get on base every day to do my job. I'll remember you next time I am sent over to the middle east to defend your right to sit in your cozy home and talk about how worthless our country is on this BBS.

What a freakin' crybaby.