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Yellowbird RS 11-16-2005 08:18 PM

yes 1973 Iso Grifo
http://www.memorylaneclassics.nl/ima...s/Grifo401.jpg

Yellowbird RS 11-16-2005 08:20 PM

no one knows what this is?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/21132204815.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/61132204832.jpg

cashflyer 11-17-2005 05:08 AM

I knew that would be easy.


Iso Grifo is correct. The photo I have is captioned "1969", which was the first year the Chevrolet 427 was used by Iso. Though admittedly, my photo looks exactly like the 73 you posted.

Does anyone know if they retained the same body from 69 to 73?

Not sure if Bertone had any part of the car. The original design was penned by Bizzarrini.

Quote:

The rare Iso Grifo was first shown at the 1963 Turin show. Designed by Bizzarini at Bertone (who also styled the legendary Ferrari GTO) the Grifo began full production in 1964. To challenge the likes of the Daytona and Muira, the Grifo benefited from a Chevrolet 427 engine from 1969, the same as fitted to the brutal AC Cobra. This gave the Grifo 170mph performance, making it one of the fastest cars of its time.

Ironically it was this huge engine that contributed to the Grifo's downfall. The early 70's fuel crisis meant that gas guzzlers like this were no longer practical so the Grifo, and Iso with it, folded in 1974.
ISO was also the original company to offer the Isetta, which was then licensed to other makers and made famous by BMW and Steve Urkel.

http://www.microcar.org/carspecs/isoisetta1.jpg

tcar 11-17-2005 07:22 AM

quote:
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The rare Iso Grifo was first shown at the 1963 Turin show. Designed by Bizzarini at Bertone (who also styled the legendary Ferrari GTO) the Grifo began full production in 1964. To challenge the likes of the Daytona and Muira, the Grifo benefited from a Chevrolet 427 engine from 1969, the same as fitted to the brutal AC Cobra. This gave the Grifo 170mph performance, making it one of the fastest cars of its time.

Ironically it was this huge engine that contributed to the Grifo's downfall. The early 70's fuel crisis meant that gas guzzlers like this were no longer practical so the Grifo, and Iso with it, folded in 1974.
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Well, they're dead wrong about the Chevy engine in the Cobra. Maybe ther're wrong about Bizzarrini...

cashflyer 11-17-2005 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tcar
....Well, they're dead wrong about the Chevy engine in the Cobra. Maybe ther're wrong about Bizzarrini...
They ARE wrong about the Cobra. But since Chevy and Ford both made 427cid engines, the writer may have made an honest mistake.


Here is what I have found in the last hour of reading:

The original Grifo was penned by Bizzarrini, and was a joint endeavor with Iso Italy, SpA, as the Grifo A3/C. After 18 months, they split ways. Bizzarrini kept the rights to build the car as the A3/C, while Iso kept the rights to the Grifo name. Iso Rivolta applied the name to the similar, but Bertone designed A3/L.

The car was available with a 327 SBC engine until 69. Available as an option in 68, the Corvette 427 became standard in 69 and lasted until 72. In 73 and 74, the car came with a Ford 351 Cleveland. Because of in-house tuning and modifications, engine sizes are found listed in various resources as 5.3L 5.4L 5.7L 7.0L ... etc.

The company closed in 1974.

References:
1
2
3
5
6
Engine and Interior pics
Bizzarrini A3/C info, and mention of the Iso connection

tcar 11-17-2005 10:51 AM

Yeah, redcar by gravelpile car? Can't figure it out.

tchanson 11-18-2005 08:49 PM

No references required...
 
A new one:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132378896.jpg



Tim

Howard Agency 11-18-2005 08:53 PM

Muntz!

tchanson 11-18-2005 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Howard Agency
Muntz!
Geez...kinda slow, Howard. That was almost five minutes.:cool:

The next photo is yours.

Tim

Howard Agency 11-18-2005 09:48 PM

OK, here ya go.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/11132382852.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/21132382871.jpg

cashflyer 11-19-2005 06:22 AM

Easy... for me, anyway.
Zagato bodied Fiat Ottu Vu.

Great site about Otto Vus

Howard Agency 11-19-2005 06:24 AM

You got it. 54. Pretty car.

Your turn, Cash

cashflyer 11-19-2005 06:46 AM

In October, I posted an Otto Vu on the Random Pics thread. (Page 192)
To me, that was the most elegant Fiat ever built.

Anyway, this one should be easy. Definately not exotic, this is much more of an "every joe" car.
Hints:
It looks like something that it's not.
It was a production vehicle, not a concept, but it was short lived.
The tail-lights are uniquely placed.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/A1132414941.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/B1132414964.jpg

We also need to guess Tim's car post, and I still want to know what that red concept car was.

Howard Agency 11-19-2005 06:58 AM

Henry J. And what is that concept car?

dafischer 11-19-2005 07:11 AM

I'd have to say that's an Allstate, sold by Sears, not a Henry J.

tchanson 11-19-2005 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dafischer
I'd have to say that's an Allstate, sold by Sears, not a Henry J.
I think Dave's right. Weren't they basically the same car but with different trim?

Allstate:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132420786.jpg

Versus the joy inducing Henry J:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132420924.jpg

I think they shared tail light placement in that early versions of both had the small round lamps, and later versions of each had the higher tailfin mounted lights.

Howard already answered my post (1954 Muntz Jet) above.

In any case, I'm gonna go back and look at that gorgeous Otto Vu and see if it helps block out the images of these goofy Kaisers...:)

cashflyer 11-19-2005 09:55 AM

Quote:

I think Dave's right. Weren't they basically the same car but with different trim?
....
I think they shared tail light placement in that early versions of both had the small round lamps, and later versions of each had the higher tailfin mounted lights.
I should have demanded the year be correct! ;) I was hoping the tail lamp placement would throw everyone off, but Dave is correct. It is an early 1952 Allstate. This car with the inboard tail lamps was only available for a few months; in mid 52 they moved the lamps to the top of the fins.
Quote:

from the Sears Archives
In 1952, Sears introduced the Allstate automobile. Built by the Kaiser-Frazer Corporation, the Allstate automobile came in two models: The Standard ($1,395) and the Delux ($1,796) models came with a choice of optional four- or six-cylinder engines and a transmission overdrive. All automobiles came with a 90-day guarantee. As popular as the insurance and accessories were, however, few people wanted to buy an entire car with the Allstate name. Disappointing sales caused the Allstate automobile to disappear from Sears stores after 1953
Quote:

Howard already answered my post (1954 Muntz Jet) above.
Oh... I see that now. I thought he was calling you some bad name when he said, "Muntz!"

Yellowbird RS 11-19-2005 10:13 AM

:eek: love this car!

next

cashflyer 11-19-2005 10:35 AM

Yellowbird... You can't say NEXT!!!
You never told us what the red car was!

SLO-BOB 11-19-2005 12:04 PM

Can we narrow this down?

My guess is early 90s American.

Yellowbird RS 11-19-2005 12:09 PM

No it's not American
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132434577.jpg

dafischer 11-19-2005 01:09 PM

Okay, here's an easy one.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132438147.jpg

tcar 11-19-2005 02:09 PM

Bucky Fuller's Dymaxion Car, to go with the house.


A fatal accident stymied the invention of the Dymaxion car.
The patented 1937, Dymaxion car was intended to later fly, when suitable alloys and engines became available.
As a car, it averaged 30 miles per gallon.
The Dymaxion car carried eleven passengers.
A smaller five-passenger Dymaxion car was made in 1943.
The Dymaxion car speed along at 120 miles per hour.

86 911 11-19-2005 04:04 PM

Anzures, is that the Renault Talisman concept? Is the car you posted a French car?

techweenie 11-19-2005 05:00 PM

I suppose there are a few more obscure cars in my collection of show images... but here's one that's pretty interesting:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132451992.jpg

dafischer 11-19-2005 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tcar
Bucky Fuller's Dymaxion Car, to go with the house.
Correct...this was car #3 of 3, pictured at the 1934 Chicago World's Fair. 20 ft. long, could turn in it's own length, 1,000 lbs, and powered by a Ford Flathead V-8.

Some pretty cool video clips, click on the pictures:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/shl/Bucky/dymaxion/movies.htm

Yellowbird RS 11-19-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 86 911
Anzures, is that the Renault Talisman concept? Is the car you posted a French car?
no it's not french either.
it is a mid 90's model....

Yellowbird RS 11-19-2005 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 86 911
Anzures, is that the Renault Talisman concept? Is the car you posted a French car?
no it's not french either.
it is a mid 90's model....

tchanson 11-19-2005 07:32 PM

La dolce cowbell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by cashflyer
Yellowbird... You can't say NEXT!!!
You never told us what the red car was!

Ya'know, after seeing that Otto Vu in grey with the yellow accents on the fenders, it's harder to care what that innocuous '80's/'90's red concept thing is.

I gotta fever.

And the only prescription is more Fiat Otto Vu ...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/11132382852.jpg



Tim

Howard Agency 11-19-2005 07:59 PM

I agree. Like the Ferrari 250SWB, car design doesn't get much nicer than this. Rather than reinvent the wheel with the new Z4 and Cayman with their 'beauty bulges', give me a new one of these.

Some piece of work for 1954..

Howard Agency 11-19-2005 08:06 PM

or this Aceca Bristol 63-64??

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/31132463175.jpg

Yellowbird RS 11-20-2005 11:00 AM

ok, here it is the answer, Porsche Karisma by Bertone
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/21132516785.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads6/61132516797.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132516811.jpg

Yellowbird RS 11-20-2005 11:03 AM

the next one:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132517018.jpg

86 911 11-20-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yellowbird RS
ok, here it is the answer, Porsche Karisma by Bertone
You have got to be kidding me. Porsche would have been my last guess. LOL.

kjb 11-20-2005 11:18 AM

Does any know what this is?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132517743.jpg

cashflyer 11-20-2005 11:39 AM

Fiat 2300 series.

I would say early 60's due to the lack of sidetrim that would extend from the fender vent on later 60's cars. (Though the trim could easily be removed.)

Powered by an inline 6 cylinder.

http://www.classicpassion.nl/img/con...1124093236.jpg

kjb 11-20-2005 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cashflyer
Fiat 2300 series.
that was quick. My grandfather owned this 2300S for almost forty years, and it is now in my uncle's garage. Over 250.000 miles on the clock and it still runs. Engine picture:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132519602.jpg

/ J

oldE 11-20-2005 12:09 PM

Anzures,
That looks like a Chaparrel 2E
Les
PS Could someone with the skills to post a pic take it from here.
Thanks ;)

tchanson 11-20-2005 02:48 PM

Here you go, Les:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1132530399.jpg


Tim

Yellowbird RS 11-20-2005 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldE
Anzures,
That looks like a Chaparrel 2E
Les
PS Could someone with the skills to post a pic take it from here.
Thanks ;)

that's right!
Chaparrel 2E drive by Jim Halls 1967


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