Libel, slander or just bad form?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by techweenie
LOL!

You're sure there's a 'self-loathing American' out there, even if you have to go all the way to Australia to find him!

Len, you're a crack-up.

Matt's an American Tech.

[lendaddy]

Ask yourself this question and be honest:

Has America been on level a positive or negative influence in the world?

[Matt Holcomb]

Originally posted by mikester
I think the US is going through a bad time and I hope that we will emerge from it stronger and more resistant to these problems than we were before we entered it.

Hear, hear.

I used to get the ***** kicked out of me at elementary school because I was proud to be half a "yank".

Guess what? People are still kicking the ***** out of me (but verbally now!), and I'm still proud to be half a "yank".

[lendaddy]

On second thought I cannot imagine any constructive discussion on this here as the shields are already up.

I had dinner with a guy like Matt a couple years back. He was honest and the discussion was more about our philosophical differences than "gotcha" verbal jousting, it was great. Oh well, I'm heading off to the watering hole to watch the Steelers get pounded

[Howard Agency]

According to my kids, I am somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. The license plate on my SUV is 'Attilla'. OK, it's a Hyundai, so that joke, too.

I try not to avoid debates like this, as seeing either end of the political spectrum gives me the shakes. And I'm equally afraid of Christian and Islamic Fundamentalists, God protect us from his followers.

IMHO this was not a political statement, but more 'Stockholm Syndrome' on a societal level. We are being held hostage by terrorism. I believe we have a better chance uf stopping it if we understand it. Example: Islam looks at the cross the way Blacks see the stars and bars and Jews see the swastica.

Islam is still pissed at 'us' for the Crusades. They take our Red Cross aid to survive, but at least some marketing genius figured out using the Red Crescent was better packaging.

95% of the worlds people just want to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads. Even as a conservative, it's hard for me to figure out how killing people really helps.

[dd74]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Matt's an American Tech.

Yep. Born in N. Cali.

[Joe Bob]

I forget....are we in the argument phase, discussion or insult phase?

OK....so to the statement. Ambiguous.....

Historical....the victor usually writes the History...unless the defeated rise up from the ashes and gains economic superiotity and you get revisionism from the PC crowd.

Let's look at the American thingy in the late 1700s.....

The American rebels started an uprising and peacekeepers arrived on various occasions to quell the violence. At one unfortunate event the "a few goverment buildings" were burnt.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by dd74
Yep. Born in N. Cali.

Funny. Coulda sworn that was an Aussie avatar.

[dd74]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I'm confused. First it has been established that a quote is neither libel nor slander whether it is taken out of context or not. Second, Matt himself says he doesn't care, so why does anyone else?

So, inferring from a quote that vacillating between condemning and empathizing with terrorists somehow speaks for a majority of persons in the U.S. who reject this country's current political position and for that have openly been called traitors is a victim-less crime or red herring?

[dd74]

Originally posted by techweenie
Funny. Coulda sworn that was an Aussie avatar.

Hmmm...I always think of Sergio Leone...but he's Italian...

[Matt Holcomb]

Originally posted by dd74
Yep. Born in N. Cali.

Yep, Fall River Mills in Modoc County.

My father was born and raised in Modoc, played varsity basketball for Big Valley High School before earning scholarships to play at the College of the Siskiyous and Chico State ....

In 1970 he tried out for the Golden State Warriors, then moved to Melbourne to play semi-pro basketball and met my mother on a train bound for Sydney.

The rest, as they say, is history ....

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by dd74
So, inferring from a quote that vacillating between condemning and empathizing with terrorists somehow speaks for a majority of persons in the U.S. who reject this country's current political position and for that have openly been called traitors is a victim-less crime or red herring?

No one is inferring that but you. Len put it there for his own reasons but the quote is just a quote. Don't blame someone else for how you interpret that quote or think it makes your "side" look. Perhaps instead of getting upset with Len, you should look more at why the quote was written and whether you agree with what Len thinks it means.

(edit) BTW, I never even SAW the quote until you pointed it out...

[cool_chick]

To me, I think it's in bad form....

I also post in another forum, and a couple people do that there too...I've always thought it was kind of immature...

(Sorry to whomever has it in their sig).

[speeder]

Well, Lendaddy is nothing if not "forever young".........

[dd74]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
No one is inferring that but you. Len put it there for his own reasons but the quote is just a quote. Don't blame someone else for how you interpret that quote or think it makes your "side" look. Perhaps instead of getting upset with Len, you should look more at why the quote was written and whether you agree with what Len thinks it means.

(edit) BTW, I never even SAW the quote until you pointed it out...

Obviously you're not very observant. And maybe you should read this thread a bit closer to understand how the inference came to be via LenDaddy's explanation.

As for upset? Never. People like you bring sunshine to my day...

[Nathans_Dad]

How about the observation that you started this thread without even knowing WHY Len put the quote there in the first place? What about the observation that Len himself told you why he saved the quote 4 posts down the thread after you had already decided that it was "disingenuous" and done in an "admonishing manner". Would those observations mean that you had already inferred a meaning from the quote simply by reading it?

Oh wait, that's what I said in the first place.

And happy to bring a little sunshine into your day...

[dd74]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
How about the observation that you started this thread without even knowing WHY Len put the quote there in the first place? What about the observation that Len himself told you why he saved the quote 4 posts down the thread after you had already decided that it was "disingenuous" and done in an "admonishing manner". Would those observations mean that you had already inferred a meaning from the quote simply by reading it?

Oh wait, that's what I said in the first place.

And happy to bring a little sunshine into your day...

Yes, you did say that in the first place, Sunshine.

Now how about the fact that I am correct with my observation that the quote was disingenuous and posted in an admonishing manner?

But since Len is off watching the Steelers get their asses handed to them - which will happen - the Colts are unbeatable - since you're his mouthpiece for the next three hours, tell me where I'm wrong in my observation?

[Matt Holcomb]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
How about the observation that you started this thread without even knowing WHY Len put the quote there in the first place? What about the observation that Len himself told you why he saved the quote 4 posts down the thread after you had already decided that it was "disingenuous" and done in an "admonishing manner". Would those observations mean that you had already inferred a meaning from the quote simply by reading it?

Oh wait, that's what I said in the first place.

And happy to bring a little sunshine into your day...

I support David's decision to turn the spotlight on this issue. His concerns are most certainly valid.

I could take umbrage with Len integrating it into his signature to push a political barrow, but I decided several days ago that all he is doing is promoting a challenging idea and stimulating debate.

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

Originally posted by dd74
A frequent poster on this board has a named quote from another frequent poster in his signature field that proclaims how on some days he feels undecided between denegrating and understanding the pov of terrorists in the world.

Here is the actual quote: I have to admit, there are days where I vacillate between despising terrorists and empathising with them ....

Given the diametrically opposed political views of both posters, I have to think the one who has quoted the other has done so in an admonishing manner. I won't, as usual, name names, but I do wonder how disingenuous it might be to write into one's signature a quote from another poster. Is it libel? Is it slander? Is it just bad form? Regardless, read some of today's political threads, and you'll see the quote this question refers to.

Thanks.

ask permission first. Tend to agree with that quote by the way.

[Nathans_Dad]

First I am not Len's mouthpiece (or any other part of his body for that matter).

My point is that the quote simply says what it says. It really doesn't matter why Len posted it in the first place because he doesn't editorialize it in his sig. He leaves it up to the reader to decide what it means. Now it would be different if he had some statement after it saying how this is how all liberals think. But that isn't the case. Someone else might read that quote and think "That Matt...what a kidder. Always kidding around." Again, whatever feelings that quote stirs in you are your own...not Lens.