Fighting speeding ticket tomorrow.

[RickM]

The pace method is one of the more accepted tools for tracking speed....unless you can prove his speedometer is not properly calibrated.

I'd go to court an hour early and see if you can speak to the prosecutor. If he's in a good mood he'll offer you options.

[Rick Lee]

Mul, I feel for you, but I don't know how you can beat this one by trying to reason it out in front of the judge. Call the cop and ask him to cut you a deal. If that doesn't work, show up early and talk to the prosecutor. If it's gonna be a hefty ticket, find a lawyer in the hallway at the courthouse who plays golf with the prosecutor and ask him to work his magic. That how it works in Fairfax County here. You gotta first pay into the protection racket to get your justice.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by JanusCole
Did I miss something here? You're guilty, right? Take some damned responsibility for the consequences of your actions and pay the fine like an adult. Why is this even up for debate?

If it weren't a racket, I would have no problem with it...Screwing
'the peoples' day is what the government does for revenue. Not to slight cops, who oft lie to make their case, but they simply do the bidding of the politicians and in this case the enviro-fascists who lobbied for the 55 limit.

"Your guilty cause I say you are" just seems very unjust to me.

BTW...You are fired too.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
You're dreaming. Attacking the officer's standing in court will only get you the ire of the judge. You will have to prove your innocent, that's how it works in traffic court. The court assumes the officer saw you break the law. If you can't do that, then cough it up.

Pat...I am not going to stand there and call him a liar and make faces at him. I am looking to shake his evidence, establish reasonable doubt and focus on the controvert-ability of his case.

Fair game in the big-business of penalizing the public for government revenue.

You are fired too.

[M.D. Holloway]

Fired? All this free help is, well...worth what you are paying for it. I still think you should memorize my lines and hit them with that. Worse case you loose - which you will anyway but at least you will make them think (and maybe even laugh).

[Rick Lee]

Mul, how much experience do you have in traffic court? I've been a good boy for a few yrs., but I used to frequent the place. I only won once by disputing the cop's version of what happened. The rest I won just for showing up in a suit and speaking perfect English or cutting a deal with the prosecutor. The one time I was 100% innocent and the chrages were 100% bogus and the judge was letting EVERYONE walk, I got crushed for cross-examining the cop and trying to use facts and logic. I was irate. My consolation was that it was an appeal on a previous bogus conviction and the tiny hick town that convicted me lost way more money by sending the cop to downtown Pittsburgh for court.

[Vipergrün]

If I were you, I'd apologize and ask the judge if they could kindly reduce the speed of the infraction, which should reduce your fine. Pay the fine and walk away. BTW, isn't breaking the law a sin

[Wrecked944]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
"Your guilty cause I say you are" just seems very unjust to me.

You're guilty because you've admitted you were guilty. Now grow up and pay your fine. Going 100mph on a public road is criminal and if I were the cop I'd have arrested you and charged you with reckless endangerment or attempted murder. Other people have their wives and children on those same public roads and you have absolutely no right what-so-ever to be hauling triple digit speeds. I don't care what hour it was or how many or few other cars there were at the time to what the traffic flow was doing. You are a danger to law abiding citizens and you have no place behind the wheel of an automobile.

[techweenie]

It's amusing to me that the ones who yell the loudest about people taking responsibility for themselves and following the law are likely to yell the loudest when they are faced with doing what they preach.

Mul's original persona on Pelican was as a street racer who could never be beaten on Mulholland -- hence the handle.

So there are probably a couple of thousand instances of flaunting the law in his past. Ultimately, the odds are that someone like that gets a ticket.

[schamp]

Problem here is the cop is seen as "an expert witness" and you aren't. Good luck.

[dd74]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Well Johnny Cochran you are not...

Nope. But you're as guilty as OJ.

Listen, best of luck, Mul; I sincerely mean that.

If I see a tall white guy amongst a constituency of liberal-minded blacks and Latinos, cutting weeds on the Barham off-ramp, I'll know the result of your efforts.

[Don Plumley]

Originally posted by jorian
Show them a random sampling of your OT posts and plead insanity - should work.

LMAO!

Seriously Mul, if there was an opportunity for People's Court here, I'd definitely tune in.

Court procedings are public record, right? I for one am looking forward to reading the transcript.

Good Luck!

[singpilot]

Mul;

If this is first appearance on THIS citation, it is going to be pretty bland. If it is traffic court (might not be because of the speed, or priors), you get to make a one or two word plead.

Guilty, or Not Guilty.

Guilty, done. Sentancing. Have anything to say that might make the judge think there was some colossal cosmic intervention of sun, moon and stars that got your atomic speed above the societal-imposed limit?

Not Guilty? Set a date for trial.

I am sorry for your troubles. I catch myself accellerating to catch some shooting star on the bike all the time. I usually remember society's rules as I notice that I am streaking away from the crowd. The throttle works both ways.

Best of luck dealing with the judge.

[Steve Carlton]

Sounds to me you've already pled not guilty and today is the trial date, right? If so, probably your only chance of beating this is if the officer doesn't show up. If the officer was a CHP, that's pretty rare. They get sanctioned for not appearing.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by JanusCole
You're guilty because you've admitted you were guilty. Now grow up and pay your fine. Going 100mph on a public road is criminal and if I were the cop I'd have arrested you and charged you with reckless endangerment or attempted murder. Other people have their wives and children on those same public roads and you have absolutely no right what-so-ever to be hauling triple digit speeds. I don't care what hour it was or how many or few other cars there were at the time to what the traffic flow was doing. You are a danger to law abiding citizens and you have no place behind the wheel of an automobile.

And you own a couple of Porsches; why? Do you honestly believe this?

I have driven in a couple of countries, and one state, where they are very lax in the enforcement of speed limits, if there are any limits at all. I don't think their accident rates are any better or worse than those places that strictly enforce speed limits.

Mul, if the guy was pacing you, you are pretty much toast. That is about the most solid case an officer can bring. Radar, laser, airplane pacing can be fought with at least some chance of success. Not much anymore, but some. He has got you; save some time and grief and just pay up.

[legion]

In my experience, the cop could get on the stand and say he estimated your speed by the sound of your engine while he was sitting at a coffee shop two miles off the interstate and the judge would uphold the ticket.

[sammyg2]

Be a man and take your lumps. You were speeding, you admitted that. You knew it was against the law and you did it anyway. Now you want advice on how to lie and get away with it? Is that the lesson you would want to teach your children? Shame on you.

Perfect example of the moral decline in this country.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I am not going to attempt to make the case that I wasn't speeding, just that his case is based on a guess and that EVERYBODY is speeding, therefore speeding was justified (which can be justification).

Actually mul, it is not.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
And you own a couple of Porsches; why? Do you honestly believe this?

I have driven in a couple of countries, and one state, where they are very lax in the enforcement of speed limits, if there are any limits at all. I don't think their accident rates are any better or worse than those places that strictly enforce speed limits.

Mul, if the guy was pacing you, you are pretty much toast. That is about the most solid case an officer can bring. Radar, laser, airplane pacing can be fought with at least some chance of success. Not much anymore, but some. He has got you; save some time and grief and just pay up.

Jeff, I'm surprised at your response. Whether it's 10% or 80%, there's certainly a fair percentage of Porsche owners who know the difference between the street and the track and appropriate driving for each.

You should be all over Jason for needing advice on how to lie to get out of something he admits doing wrong. Very Christian!

[bryanthompson]

mul, you've been spending too much time in OT. Quit thinking like a filthy lib. You sped, you knew the consequences for speeding, and you did it anyway. Pay the ticket.