So, want to see what a $17,000 MM rebuild looks like

[onewhippedpuppy]

The auction was just ended, and this added:
"The 3.6 conversion in this car is as follows:

3.6 big bore piston and cylinder conversion. The case and crank are the original 3.2 liter. I thought this was clear and apologize if anyone was misled."

Glad he decided to be forthcoming, but this is still misleading. It's not a 3.6 conversion with the original crank! At least this will give the informed buyers a clue to begin asking questions. I don't know what the big deal is, if it really does have a big bore P&C kit, and is maybe a 3.4, it's still worth something. It's just very much not a 3.6.

[jstein]

Originally posted by ndavis951
So I'm curious is this Grady a master Porsche technician or do you guys watch Porsche ads in trade mags and Ebay to get your kicks.

Go drive your damn cars and get from behind the keyboard.....oh yeah bring it on

It's obviously a juicy worm on a hook, but I'll take the bait.

Disparaging Grady is accomplishing what? You may want to do a little research before taking on one of the fathers of this board; try a simple search using his name as the qualifier. The quantity and quality of his posts attest to his knowledge, skill and passion. Take a wander down one of his threads, it will be obvious.

This seems more like a smokescreen being used to distract members from the real issue regarding this automobile for sale on eBay with the 3.6 "conversion".

Consider it "brought on"


BTW - I would drive my "damn car" except it's in pieces - being worked on with the assistance of people on this board.

[bigchillcar]

jstein..it isn't so much about the breadth and depth of grady's unreachable porsche experience, knowledge and skill, but it doesn't take long at all to realize what a truly generous class act he is from a to z, almost painfully long on humility given his impressive resume. he's simply inscrutable on this board from my vantage point..never known to make anything close to resembling 'personal attacks'. as reported, he's a stand-up guy and makes up a colossal portion of the lion's share of 'porsche wealth' on this board. so to address 'ndavis951'..'master porsche technician' barely begins to describe this particular man.

[trader220]

BigChill, I could not have put it any better then you did, Kudos for your excellent comments on Grady. He is simply a guy with vastly more knowledge then anyone you’ll meet anywhere and he’s happy to share it in a courteous way even on the smallest of items. I am shocked someone would post disparaging words towards a guy that adds so much to this community and in the manner Grady does.

I chimed in earlier on this very interesting thread. I had exchanged emails with whichever one of these guys listed it on eBay and my cursory read of his description on eBay lead me to believe it was a 3.6 swap not a 3.6 born out of a 3.2. I share some of the blame for not reading more carefully and looking closer at the photos. Surely the comments about the car on eBay and in Pano can be easily construed as this being a 964 or 993 3.6.

[bigchillcar]

thanks, trader..
ryan

[Tobra]

Originally posted by mjshira
a fool and his money... soon to be parted

A fool and his money, surprising they got together in the first place.

[red964]

hmmm 3.6 on that old engine
am I missing something?

Still, he did get reams of paper listing all sorts of things.
im suprised they missed out.

Black Ink

Ink aplicator

White Paper

[cashflyer]

This is not relevant to the sale of the car, but some of the discussion in this thread has me curious. There seems to be a lot of heartache about the posting of peoples phone numbers, addresses, names, etcetera. Even to the point that one post implies impropriety. But isn't any publicly available information fair game? Is there any real violation in the posting of Brians information, if it is already available on ebay or in the white pages?

And I ask this also because I did some google-research aswell. At least in public records, the name on the receipt does not match the address on the receipt. I'm sure somebody could have moved in or out since he bought it 5 months ago, so it's probably nothing worth mentioning.

**edit: I just realised the invoice is dated from 2003. See, I knew that it was irrelevant about the address.

I think the one thing that Brian, Norm, and others who read this thread will take away as a lesson is this: Do not mention MM in your ad. Truely, if Brian had just listed the work done and had never posted the receipts or mentioned MM, then this thread would have most likely never existed.

My personal experience with MM is very, very limited. I had contacted them to do a rebuild on an engine, and the prices seemed too low. So I did some homework and learned to steer clear.

[JeremyD]

I can't believe this was moved to off topic - not sure what could be more technical/specific than an engine rebuild sheet, even if it is from motormeister. Hope if anyone is searching for motormeister they also choose "off topic" forums in their search.

[bigchillcar]

take away as a lesson is this: Do not mention MM in your ad.

well, i honestly think the receipt posting was done because brian honestly (like the rest of us) could not be sure or figure out what exactly the motor in his car is now. he knows it hauls balls, but wasn't sure and was hoping these records would make it clearer to a potential buyer. unfortunately, we all read 'mm' and immediately (and wisely) assume the worst.
ryan

[paul in ct]

Wow. 2 more pages of gibberish on this over the weekend? Amazing. I'm sorry I was busy taking my kids skating, driving my cars, working on them, and having a beer with some quality car guys I've met over the years to notice, and didn't have time to further endeavor my "4367 Posts" award. What's that like 3.6 posts an hour 365 days a year?

It's "The Other Guy" again with his less than 10 posts...

Realize Brian was simply passing along the information as he has it and understands it, nothing further. Is it incumbent upon him to substantiate it for the benefit of the buyer? You all would say so, but get real. He's telling it as he understood it, not having the benefit of reading each of your 7,642 posts per day before he listed his ad.

Heh, I esp. enjoy the one above suggesting not to mention the MM name in the ad... and you're calling Brian unscrupulous? Genius.

Also realize while some of the Highest Esteemed Gentlemen on this board chimed in about it so have a few real assclowns, and no one likes their name disparaged. You start slandering for the sake of fellating all the Columbo wannabe's here and you're going to piss someone off - and you're going to hear about it. Pointing out to Brian that it is more likely a 3.5L than a 3.6L could have been achieved in an entirely different manner but what's done is done.

Regardless... many missed the entire point. You don't like it don't buy it. You'd be missing out on a terrific car, but maybe that's a good thing. It certainly is too much car for many. But don't start accusing people w/o having a clue.

Who am I? Just a car guy, professional, father, and friend who stands up for friends and who happened to have driven that car. Not someone with some ambiguously gay "sreen name" (what's with that), overly proficient with the use of "emoticon" smileys (c'mon now how old are we), and that likes to jump on the bandwagon for sake of swinging from the nads of Esteemed Gentlemen.

I'm sure there are some quality gents here but there sure seems a lion's share of real tools. Least it's easy to see which is which without much effort. I'll be delisting now so rest easy. Back to reality, and a life without smileys...

[JeremyD]

By the personal attacks you have done nothing but lower yourself.

[trader220]

This is pathetic

[jstein]

Originally posted by trader220
This is pathetic

I'm quite enjoying it actually.

[RANDY P]

Originally posted by paul in ct



Who am I? Just a car guy, professional, father, and friend who stands up for friends and who happened to have driven that car.

Even when your friends are FOS.

Flame on *********.

rjp

[bigchillcar]

this is me..i are a smiley in fact..

[cashflyer]

This is definitely becoming more amusing than the gererator thread....

I did not suggest to leave out mention of the MM work. Perhaps I did not express myself clearly enough for you, but the intent of my statement was that I doubt the seller will gain anything useful from our "discussion" other than learning that mere mention of MM is a bad sales call.

I can type slower if that would help you....

[Craig 930 RS]

Still have popcorn in hand.......dead horses are fun.

[jstein]

Originally posted by paul in ct
Wow. 2 more pages of gibberish on this over the weekend? Amazing. I'm sorry I was busy taking my kids skating, driving my cars, working on them, and having a beer with some quality car guys I've met over the years to notice, and didn't have time to further endeavor my "4367 Posts" award. What's that like 3.6 posts an hour 365 days a year?

Hmmm - let me get out the slide rule.

I think your math is wrong: 4367 posts equates to about 12 posts a day for a 365 day year - or one every two hours (or, to put it another way 0.5 posts an hour).

Now, that is assuming that:

a) The person doing the posting is logged on that often

and

...wait; who cares? I guess your (somewhat limp wristed) attempt at comedy was to crack wise on the number of posts some of the members have racked up.

Yikes - there's a stretch. Maybe you should poke fun at screen names next.

Oh - nm, I see you did already.

Originally posted by paul in ct

Who am I? Just a car guy, professional, father, and friend who stands up for friends and who happened to have driven that car. Not someone with some ambiguously gay "sreen name" (what's with that), overly proficient with the use of "emoticon" smileys (c'mon now how old are we), and that likes to jump on the bandwagon for sake of swinging from the nads of Esteemed Gentlemen.

Wow - how do I become a professional father? I manage to have three kids and a career - as well as work on my car, drink beer, BS with my friends and have a million other hobbies. Oh, and I have a wife too! Yay for me!

I will give you props for the 'nads' remark.

'sides, you probably only drink light beer anyway

EDIT: And yes, before you go even more ballastic, I did see the comma between father and professional - it's more fun to ignore it.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Guys, c'mon, he's not going to respond. He's better than us, and logged off. He was gracious enough to describe all the wonderful things that he does with his time, it's far too precious to say, join a website just for the half-assed defense of his friend only to make things worse. Fortunately the high traffic of Pelican has guaranteed that between him and his cohorts he has managed to scare away at least a few potential buyers, aint karma a *****?