Tom DeLay - Surrounded by Felons

[Rodeo]

You know what? It doesn't even matter if DeLay was involved! His top three aids were crooks, as well as his favorite lobbyist. The entire management structure of his office was corrupt!

Either he knew, and was as sleazy as the rest of them, or he didn't, and he does not deserve to hire any more staffers on the public payroll.

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by fastpat
Isn't saying DeLay isn't involved similar to what Barney Frank said about his roommate running the homosexual whore service out of Frank's apartment?

We all know their likely guilty, but haven't proof yet. The court of public opinion ought to have some merit here.

I vaguely remember that case, but don't recall if Frank claimed total ignorance of his roommate's activities. I would think it would be tough to plausibly make such a claim, since they lived together. That is a world away from DeLay's situation. He doesn't live with his staffers and can't possibly know everything they're doing at all hours. Plenty of Congressional staffers get in trouble for stuff their bosses never ever would have learned of, if it hadn't been uncovered by a newspaper. Remember Jessica Cutler? She was an intern for Mike DeWine and banging some higher ranking staffers in a few offices and then posting it on her blog? What did this have to do with DeWine? As soon as he found out, she was fired. Why would it go any farther than that?

[lendaddy]

Was Rodeo his roommate? Hmm, how deep does this rabbit-hole go?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
I vaguely remember that case, but don't recall if Frank claimed total ignorance of his roommate's activities. I would think it would be tough to plausibly make such a claim, since they lived together. That is a world away from DeLay's situation. He doesn't live with his staffers and can't possibly know everything they're doing at all hours. Plenty of Congressional staffers get in trouble for stuff their bosses never ever would have learned of, if it hadn't been uncovered by a newspaper. Remember Jessica Cutler? She was an intern for Mike DeWine and banging some higher ranking staffers in a few offices and then posting it on her blog? What did this have to do with DeWine? As soon as he found out, she was fired. Why would it go any farther than that?

Well, Rick, it seems to me that most of us spend a lot more time at work or with colleagues than we do at home sleeping. Frank, who I do not believe was factual, would have a much greater area in which to state he knew nothing if the activities were during his many hours in congress.

Unless you're thinking is that most of these activities occured at night, then I'd say DeLay has less alibi than does Frank. Room exists for him to not be involved, certainly, but less than in Frank's case.

[Rick Lee]

Pat, you just want to assign guilt by association. That's fine, but it doesn't mean DeLay did anything wrong. He won his primary race handily a few weeks ago, which went almost unreported. He'll easily beat the bogus "money laundering" charges against him. And unless someone comes forth with some new info on how he was involved in his former aides' wrongdoing, you, Rodeo and the knee-jerk haters will just wallow in anger and irrelevance. Fine by me.

DeLay is one of my favorites. So yes, I am biased. But the fact is that he has not even been accused of being at all involved with how others cashed in on his name.

[Rodeo]

The top three aids to "one of your favorite" politicans took bribes in return for official favors.

That speaks volumes.

I can't wait for the housecleaning.

[Rick Lee]

Rodeo, by that standard, you should hate Bill Clinton exponentially more than you do DeLay. And as much as Clinton made my blood boil, I never blamed him for stuff his aides did.

[Rodeo]

Clinton's top three aids accepted bribes? The "liberal media" must have squashed that story.

And yes, the difference between you and me is that I never defended Clinton acting like a sleaze. Quite the opposite.

The Rovarian mindset won't even allow you to condem a sleaze that sold the majority leader's office, at the very least allowed it to be sold by the three top men that he hired.

That's why the people have had it with the Repub majority. Goosestep conformity worked for a while, but now people realize that there is a bankrupt morality behind the election-winning machine.

[Rick Lee]

Rodeo, whoever accpetd bribes should go to jail, just like Duke Cunningham. I don't defend them AT ALL. I just don't assign guilt by association either. And AFAIK, only Rudy was working for DeLay when he engaged in illegal activity. The others were private sector when they went bad. Again, they should pay for their crimes. And DeLay should not pay for their crimes.

[Rodeo]

I understand you loud and clear. I predict the electorate will as well.

Having Bush as your guy is good practice I guess. Defending a Congressman that hired three crooks as his top three aids is probably a cakewalk compared to defending no WMDs, no al Queda ties, torture, warrantless wiretapping, Abu Graheb, Katrina, Mission Accopplished, Dubai ports, the "unexpected" insurgency, a trillion dollar war, Harriet Miers, Michael Brown, and whatever bonehead thing the president does next.

[Rodeo]

God, I forgot all about record, out of control drunken spending and deficits!

Stay the course.

[Rick Lee]

It's amazing what other ills you can link to three former Hill staffers.

Ever play Five Degrees To Kevin Bacon? You must be the world champ.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Rodeo, by that standard, you should hate Bill Clinton exponentially more than you do DeLay. And as much as Clinton made my blood boil, I never blamed him for stuff his aides did.

You should have, Clinton was guilty as sin in the Whitewater affair, and in the FBI files coverup.

The point should be that DeLay is no better than Clinton, and that's a fact.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat

The point should be that DeLay is no better than Clinton, and that's a fact.

Because DeLay did what?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
You should have, Clinton was guilty as sin in the Whitewater affair, and in the FBI files coverup.

Fascinating how you dismiss his greatest crimes. It wont be the first time you defended Clinton by diminishing his corruption...Bar-none, Clinton's worst crime was taking monies from the Chinese Military for the transference of once prohibited ICBM technology...Second place would be allowing Osama to skate.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

The big problem is the cheap flow of dis-information and the presentation of partial truths and inuendoes as fact, a process at with both parties are getting better at completing. I like the suggestion from Mr. Dick Cheney, look it up at www.FACTCHECK.org an independent group with no agenda other than to root out the truth.

http://factcheck.org/article377.html

http://www.factcheck.org/article379.html

http://factcheck.org/article371.html

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Groesbeck Hurricane
www.FACTCHECK.org[/url] an independent group with no agenda other than to root out the truth.

Factcheck is an organ of the liberal organization Annenberg...The leftists are masters of hiding behind benign sounding titles to cloak their agenda.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Mul,

Where can we go to verify that statement? This is the exact organization that Mr. Cheney suggested we use to check facts and I have a very hard time believing he'd be sending anyone to a liberal group...

[Rick Lee]

David, remember when Cheney said that, he gave the wrong URL and CNN quickly called him on it.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
David, remember when Cheney said that, he gave the wrong URL and CNN quickly called him on it.

No, he suggested and intended for people to go to factcheck.org, but the gave the wrong URL (factcheck.com instead of factcheck.org) which sent people to a Soros site.