Confirmed: V Plame was working on Iran nukes when outed - Page 3

Rodeo · 05-03-2006, 05:58 AM

Of course not. There was no "angle" to outing her. The most senior people in this administration were just flapping their lips for the sake of flapping, setting up secret meetings with reporters on deep background probably because they were hungry and needed breakfast.

George Bush has never done anything wrong. George Bush will never do anything wrong. It's the country that's wrong, not George Bush.

Jim Richards · 05-03-2006, 05:59 AM

Thanks RL. If her status wasn't covert, then I'll quit b!tchen.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

The whole Fitzgerald investigation was brought about by the CIA complaining about their agent's identity being compromised.

Like Limbaugh, caught buying 12,000 oxycontin pills, was pleaded out to a lesser charge, enough evidence has to be there to support a trial. The whole point of Fitzgerald's investigation is the outing of a covert operative... but that charge may not be sufficiently provable to make an indictment. It doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Of course, all of the charges are not in, so the thin protection of 'no one has been charged' may go away.

lendaddy · 05-03-2006, 06:04 AM

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Of course, all of the charges are not in, so the thin protection of 'no one has been charged' may go away.

He admits he mentioned her name...........that's an open and shut case, yes?

Jim Richards · 05-03-2006, 06:15 AM

...and PP OT Forum is the courtroom, yes?

OK, I'm done ranting about this topic. We'll see where the chips lie. You know where I stand on this "debate," and please don't think for a minute I'd back off for any other administration. When it comes to protecting classified material, or protecting the status of our agents, I'm a vault, baby. And you should be, too.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

There's a lot of speculation here based on third-hand spin from plitical pundits, but if interested, anyone could read what knowledgeable people have to say -- like Larry Johnson:

By Larry Johnson
The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.
The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.

Jul 13, 2005

Larry Johnson credentials:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/5713

Rodeo · 05-03-2006, 08:00 AM

I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

This will only become precedent if we let it alone. That Karl Rove is still a government employee after outing Plame and after 5 Grand Jury appearances is all by itself itself an impeachable offense.

The rules are becoming clearer and clearer: Either you stand up for Bush or you stand up for the country.

I know where I stand.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Rodeo, you stand next to Lyndon LaRouche.

Rodeo · 05-03-2006, 08:24 AM

Excellent rebuttal. Don't you have any national security to compromise or something?

Jim Richards · 05-03-2006, 08:32 AM

Rick's selling out to China.

Mulhollanddose · 05-03-2006, 08:35 AM

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Excellent rebuttal. Don't you have any national security to compromise or something?

You mean like Valerie Plame did when she intentionally lobbied for her unqualified husband to go Maxwell Smart on fact-finding in Niger?

Rodeo · 05-03-2006, 08:40 AM

Yea Nul, like that.

lendaddy · 05-03-2006, 08:41 AM

Shh, I'm listening in on Rodeos phone calls and can't hear with all this bickering.

Mulhollanddose · 05-03-2006, 08:46 AM

Jim Richards · 05-03-2006, 10:29 AM

Hillary may be your only hope Mul

Mulhollanddose · 05-03-2006, 11:06 AM

Jim, you ever go dancing, look over and see a person dancing next to you, you move to another section of the dance floor and the person is right next to you again...all night this goes on and it sorta creeps you out?...That is you Jim, you are that guy.

928ram · 05-03-2006, 11:11 AM

r u being e-stalked Mul?

Jim Richards · 11:15 AM

Creeping you out is a noble cause Mul.

JSDSKI · 05-03-2006, 04:29 PM

I still don't understand any of this stuff. Why would people in the administration even care who Joe Wilson's wife was in the first place? Forget the whole "is she / isn't she an agent" thing for a moment. What was the point for them ?

Can someone 'splain it to me?

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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I still don't understand any of this stuff. Why would people in the administration even care who Joe Wilson's wife was in the first place? Forget the whole "is she / isn't she an agent" thing for a moment. What was the point for them ?

Can someone 'splain it to me?

I'm not sure if anyone knows the whole story, but Joe Wilson published an editorial in the New York Times pointing out that part of the reason for attacking Iraq was not supported by the facts -- the "sixteen words" in the '03 State of the Union Address.

Outing his wife was supposed by many to be 'payback' to Wilson. Following that, the CIA cover company she "worked for" -- Brewster Jennings -- was also outed. Since Plame was working on monitoring nuclear proliferation, it's now starting to look to some people as if there was a secondary reason for getting her out of the CIA.