this should stir up you lefties"safe for work"

[billyboy]

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration


If you are a rational human being, you just have to ask yourself WHY we are putting up with this. Can the answer be near the bottom – highlighted in red for you? Could some of these trillions be "buying" the votes of our Senators? Remember, this amount is only for the year 2005.


62% of all "undocumented immigrants" in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card;

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens;

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens;

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens;

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and
Albuquerque are illegal aliens;

More than 380,000 "anchor babies" were born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer;

More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers;

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually;

More than 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages


More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens;

More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border;

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens;

More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens;

58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens;

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens;

14 out of 31 TV stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

15 out of 24 TV stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only;

21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

17 radio stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only;

More than 34% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

More than 24% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;

More than 39% of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

More than 42% of California students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking


In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish;

More than 71% of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by illegal aliens or transport coyotes";

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens;

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens;

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal aliens;

Less than 2% of illegal aliens in the United States are picking crops , but 41% are on welfare;

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration;

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University];

The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than $2.36 TRILLION dollars;

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican illegal alien is $55,000.00 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You, personally, are giving $11,000 every year to illegal aliens.

[Nathans_Dad]

I think those statistics have been presented and some have been shot down previously on this forum.

To be sure, illegal immigration is a huge problem, but hyperbolic statistics really don't do much to press the discussion forward.

I think snopes has some of this stuff on their site.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

[Moneyguy1]

I once read that 97.95 percent of all statistical data are made up as required. (including th is!!)

[techweenie]

Originally posted by billyboy
If you are a rational human being, you just have to ask yourself WHY we are putting up with this.

If by "this" you mean reposting made up crap, well, I don't know why we should put up with it, either.

[Moneyguy1]

The question also should be asked:

Why does the administration favor a form of amnisty?

[billyboy]

Why does the administration favor a form of amnisty?

This administration is failing big time on this issue among others. This administration is conservative in illusion only.

you mean reposting made up crap, well, I

It may be exaggerated but it certainly is based in fact. Especially the crime part. Huge amounts of California's money flows into the control of the crime caused by this element.

reposting made up crap, well, I don't know why we should put up with it, either.

Well, a fair chunk of the threads on the forum fit into this catagory, from both the left and the right .

[nostatic]

Originally posted by billyboy
It may be exaggerated but it certainly is based in fact.

You really should post this in the joke thread...that's funny stuff.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

I was raised Conservative: Strong Military, strong borders, strong budget, enforcement when necessary, remain engaged, protect the environment so people can still live on this soil, and keep American production facilities and American companies located in America.

Guess we haven't had a conservative president since Nixon.

Teddy Roosevelt was an environmentalist, last time I looked he was also a very conservative Republican.

Richard Nixon was able to get the EPA through congress, last time I looked he was also a conservative Republican and a shrewd politician whose people got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Groesbeck Hurricane

Richard Nixon was able to get the EPA through congress, last time I looked he was also a conservative Republican and a shrewd politician whose people got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

And Richard Nixon's fondest dream was national healthcare. So was he really a conservative?

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

95% of people posting such figures have nothing better to do than sit around all day with a finger up the butt and whistling as the world passes them by.

[billyboy]

You really should post this in the joke thread...that's funny stuff

95% of people posting such figures have nothing better to do than sit around all day with a finger up the butt and whistling as the world passes them by

Oh! ouch! you really showed me. Great rebuttal. Typical liberal respose...personal attack, mocking etc.

[teenerted1]

Originally posted by billyboy
Can the answer be near the bottom – highlighted in red for you? .

where is the answer [COLOR=red]???

forgot how to cut and paste in color too?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by billyboy
Oh! ouch! you really showed me. Great rebuttal. Typical liberal respose...personal attack, mocking etc.

yeah, conservatives never mock or attack people (illegal aliens are people last time I checked)

sorry...just thought it was funny. You post a bunch of statictics with attribution, they are then shown to be false, then you try and retrench a racist position with the line, "well they are exaggerated but certainly based in fact."

That is funny to me. Sad, but funny.

[Moneyguy1]

billiy:

Are you REALLY sure these "detracters" are "Liberals"? And how do you define liberal?

Just getting tired of seeing labels tossed around as if they really stood for anything.

Sems to me that labels are an excuse for the lack of original thinking or debating techniques.

[techweenie]

99% of all people from Atascadero are pedophiles. I saw it on the Internets!

[billyboy]

Just can't respond in a civil manner, now I'm a racist. Time will tell who is right. Illegal immigration is what I was addressing, not any race. It doesn't matter what country they are from, they key word here is "illegal", but then again, the left is known for using the race card as one of their favorites. Illegal immigration,radical environmentalism, and the destruction of our formerly strong industrial/natural resource extraction economic base is a far greater threat to this country than Islamic extremists. OK, now what am I? a dirty populist that cares about what is happening to the middle class right under our noses?

forgot how to cut and paste in color too?

Ouch, another barb, you guys are killin me

[Moneyguy1]

billy:

I do not argue the point that "illegal" has a definition. What I am having trouble with is exaggerated claims made by organizations to prove their point. Being an Arizonan, I am on the "front line" of the problem. Why can't our federal government enforce the already existing laws? Why do the Republicans now want to have "town meetings" rather than come up with a solution?

I am angry with the whole lot of idiots in Washington..waffling, indecisive, poll taking nincompoops.

Someday I will tell you all how I really feel!!

[billyboy]

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not backing the republicans. They have failed their support base. When they call me now asking for money, I give them an ear full with no $$.I'm actually more pissed at them than the Dems. I expect to be screwed over by the left, but now we're gettin it both ways.

[nostatic]

billy, I think we both know that when most people toss out the term "illegals" they are talking about people of Mexican/Hispanic/Latino descent. And language like "their kind" is rather inflammatory. You might counter with "well, by kind I meant 'illegal'", but I just don't buy it. I've heard and seen too much anger and bile tossed in the general direction of a group of people that by and large are here trying to make ends meet.

Our industrial status/economy is gone. It will never come back...well, unless you want to let even more illegal immigrants in to staff the lines. For a variety of reasons we have lost our edge in that arena. In most areas actually. What I really think I'm hearing is frustration with the fact that America is not like it used to be. Well, that is true. It will never be like it used to be. People can blame the illegal immigrants, blame the Islamofacists, blame the radical environmentalists, the neocons, etc. But when push comes to shove, we need to look in the mirror. We as a country have grown fat, slow and stupid. We don't value hard work, education, or creativity. Instead we belly up to the table of wealth created by subsidies and earned on the back of the generations that came before, and the "illegals" that are here now.

In the end I fear that we as a country don't understand hardship, and don't have much left in the way of personal responsibility. The problem with the education system is the teachers and the unions. The problem with the economy is the illegals and corporate greed. The problem with society is either too many handouts or not enough handouts.

The problem is us. We are the enemy. We need to get our ***** together and quit blaming everyone else for what is wrong with this country. As for what the action items are, that's up for debate. But laying the blame at the feet of others is *not* one of them imho.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by nostatic
Our industrial status/economy is gone. It will never come back...well, unless you want to let even more illegal immigrants in to staff the lines.

Another thing our "news" outlets don't tell us is that NAFTA has destroyed small scale farming in Mexico -- especially for people who used to raise rice & beans. Federally-subsidized US surplus crops are being dumped on the Mexican market, destroying the farmers.

Sure, Ford is going to hire 125,000 workers in Mexico, as soon as they build their new plants, but until then, the work is here, and Mexicans (and others) will risk violence and death to earn a living wage.

Maybe a long term solution is changing the Mexican government, but that doesn't put food on the table next month.

The Mexican economy is a complete disaster. Cutting off work in the US is a recipe for civil unrest and revolution. Plus, eliminating illegal labor will destroy some US industries altogether. That's why no likely presidential candidate from either party is going to truly "clamp down" on illegals. And all of them are going to mention amnesty.