Did we shoot down Kim Jong Il's missile, when will we read about it in the NYT?

[Tobra]

Do you suppose we have the capability to shoot down an ICBM? Cruising around the area with a high powered laser mounted on a plane, you could put your laser on the fuel pump, or whatever a rocket has, ignite the fuel, blow up the rocket and have it look like a malfunction.

Was reminded of some Discovery Channel program I saw by a radio program that mentioned this subject.

If we do have this ability, how long before it makes the front page of the New York Times? This would be something that makes the current administration look good, so they would be loathe to print it. This is also the sort of thing the public deserves to know, just in case the government decides to turn it on San Francisco or something.

[RallyJon]

The New York Times wouldn't dare report on a classified weapons program.

Oh, wait...

[Joeaksa]

Hell, the way some of the bleeding heart libs on this forum (and elsewhere) are pouting, lets just open up all our classified programs and secrets and give it all away! Might as well give the terrorists the keys to our bases and hand them a jet or two as well.

Unfortunately its going to take another terrorist strike here in the US to get people to realize that WE ARE AT WAR with these people and you do not give secrets away!

Oh yea, the next terrorist attack was just foiled. Tunnels in NYC were going to be targeted. Cannot understand why but a Moslem man was arrested! Who could have imagined it? I would have thought it might be a 68 year old Catholic nun but ya just never know these days!



FBI disrupts New York City tunnel plot By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Authorities have disrupted planning by foreign terrorists for an attack on New York City tunnels, two law enforcement officials said Friday.

FBI agents monitoring Internet chat rooms used by extremists learned in recent months of the plot to strike a blow at the city's economy by destroying vital transportation networks, one official said.

Lebanese authorities, acting on a U.S. request, have arrested one of the alleged plotters, identified as Amir Andalousli, the other official said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way.

A senior Lebanese security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the suspect was arrested a month ago. He said his real name is as Assem Hammoud, and that the native of Beirut admitted to the plot.

Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., said, "This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase."

The planning for the tunnel attacks was first reported by the New York Daily News in its Friday editions, the first anniversary of the attacks on the London transportation system that killed 52 people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_re_us/new_york_tunnels_plot

[Nathans_Dad]

The FBI was monitoring an Internet Chat Room?? That is a violation of civil liberties!! We should be able to discuss the weather with Muslim extremists if we want to, it's in the Constitution!! Just another example of Bush overstepping his bounds and listening in on the average American citizen...

[stevepaa]

The answer is no. Unless we had someone there do sabotage to it.

Hey Joe, wasn't it you who implied rather forcefully that it was the ABL and Fint was at the trigger.

[MFAFF]

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl.htm

Pretty old news....

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/index.html

And from the horse's mouth.....

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Doubtful. We can't even shoot down our own missiles with the opportunity to "get a bead" on them ahead of time and knowing exactly where they're going.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
The FBI was monitoring an Internet Chat Room?? That is a violation of civil liberties!! We should be able to discuss the weather with Muslim extremists if we want to, it's in the Constitution!! Just another example of Bush overstepping his bounds and listening in on the average American citizen...

I've never seen anyone here say that. Chat rooms and BBS are "public" spaces. Telephone calls? That's another story...

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Joeaksa


Oh yea, the next terrorist attack was just foiled. Tunnels in NYC were going to be targeted. Cannot understand why but a Moslem man was arrested! Who could have imagined it? I would have thought it might be a 68 year old Catholic nun but ya just never know these days!

Joe, where in that story does it mention his religion?

[fintstone]

Surprisingly enough...we have lots of capabilities and conduct lots of operations that we do not report to the New York Times. Much of the time....other parts of the military/government do not even know. Why provide the enemy any more help than the liberals do already?

[sammyg2]

Yes, we have that technology. No, we didn't use it. no, we don't want everyone else to know if it works or not, it's actually more effective if we don't use it.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by nostatic
Joe, where in that story does it mention his religion?

Sorry, spent a lot of time in Beirut over the years so I still keep in touch with news and events there. Some is from contacts still living there and others through news and internet reports.

I saw this info in a report from a Beirut news outlet, then heard it from a friend there. Amir Andalousi (real name is Assem Hammoud) is now linked to Al Queda and had admitted that he just returned from training with Al Queda and confessed to having a part in the plot to bomb the NYC tunnels. BTW, there are no Christians (or anyone of any religion other than Islam) with Al Queda.

Steve,

Yes, I did mention it and have never retracted my statement. Fintstone has also said that he has done some work in that area.

Did I say that they actually did shoot down the missle? No but that should not slow you liberals down for one second and assume that now you guys are weaving some story about this whole scenerio...

I just wish that we had a plane or satellite able to shoot the next set of missles that NK fires. Wonder if we do? Remember that the F117 Stealth fighter was a black program for over 7 years and operational the entire time before being released to the public.

Your tax dollars at work!

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
...Internet chat rooms used by extremists...

Alright... all you SCWDP members need to keep on the QT.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by cashflyer
Alright... all you SCWDP members need to keep on the QT.

Now you have gone and done it! If they find out about Leland and his connection to this secret group of 911 fanatics there will be hell to pay! And he has a current security clearance so we know that he is privy to ALL of the secrets in the miltary!

[ronin]

Originally posted by nostatic
I've never seen anyone here say that. Chat rooms and BBS are "public" spaces.

not if they're private

[nostatic]

Originally posted by ronin
not if they're private

except when they're public

[ronin]

and you know they were public how?

[IROC]

Originally posted by Tobra
Do you suppose we have the capability to shoot down an ICBM? Cruising around the area with a high powered laser mounted on a plane, you could put your laser on the fuel pump, or whatever a rocket has, ignite the fuel, blow up the rocket and have it look like a malfunction.

I work on the sister program to ABL (Airborne Laser) - known as Advanced Tactical Laser. Yes, we do have the technology. ABL is designed to shoot down a missile in the boost phase. GMD (Ground-Based Midcourse Defense) is designed to shoot it down post-boost phase using an intercepter (known as the EKV). I worked on that program for a couple of years, too.

These programs (ABL and GMD) are pretty common knowledge. Heck, there's even a wikipedia article on Advanced Tactical Laser. Some of the details in the article are inaccurate, but I'm not going to correct them. :>)

Mike

[red-beard]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Unfortunately its going to take another terrorist strike here in the US to get people to realize that WE ARE AT WAR with these people and you do not give secrets away!

Actually Joe, I think it is going to take a nuclear weapon going off before the people of the World unite to take on the terrorists. If 3000 dead doesn't keep the Worlds attention, it will take much much more.

Unfortunately, if one of those plots succeed, The US gov't will be blamed and ridiculed for not doing enough. If they are found out and don't succeed, we are paranoid and over blowing it and infringing on civil rights...

[M.D. Holloway]

I was listening to the radio on this, someone (forget who) said hey shot if off to impress Iran, China and Venezuela - like a product demo. Korea has been selling them stuff for years, this is just another example.

I bet we could shoot it down. But why tell anyone? I think we just sit back and quietly ***** with them.