Evolution vs creationism

[nostatic]

the basic tenets of evolution have been tested countless times. It is science. Maybe you should read a molecular biology text book instead of nuclear physics.

btw, can we elect a president that can actually pronounce "nuclear" correctly?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
the basic tenets of evolution have been tested countless times. It is science.

Really?...Where is that missing link again?...The world should be brimming with crossover species waiting patiently to defy entropy and go human.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by jluetjen
Having all of those people pray I'm confident was a good thing. From your perspective I'm sure you'd at least agree that while they were praying they weren't causing any harm on the world.

interesting thought, but they also weren't doing anything "good." In other words, is prayer the same as inaction? From a secular point of view, it is.

A Buddhist would look at it differently. Meditation is time spent in apparent inaction, but it can be argued that it is time spent getting better in touch with one's self so they can be a better person. In addition, there is the concept of tapping into the greater conciousness. And through this change can be effected.

[RPKESQ]

snowman, I was answering direct personal insult by a known liar. I will not address this cretin with respect. Belief is personal, if you need my respect, earn it. I don't give out like it was candy. You keep harping on the fact science can't answer why. Well I think it answers that far better than religion does. Or does making up aswers fill your inner need? It doesn't do for me. I want verifiable, repeatable results or I admit I don't know. Something that if religions would do, they would loose members like Null has lost brain cells. Can you imagine a religion attacting members with the "we don't know if ours is the right way,or that we have all the answers, or the one true god, but we really like it, so we're going to go with it". Yep, I'm sure you'll have lines down the block just waiting to sign on.
Have you evered wondered why the more educated a culture becomes, the less religious it is? (I know, it's that damn devil again). Respect, needs to be earned. If you want to spout gibberish, don't expect it arriving from me soon.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
defy entropy

you should try to avoid using words you don't understand

[RPKESQ]

Missing links have been found, documented and peer reviewed in many different species including man. Ditch the comic books and try some adult reading. Caution, it may be wayyyyyy over your head.

[zuffen]

RPKESQ,

I agree, if respect is wanted, then they have to earn it. Again if you want to set up creationism in the same light as evolution then you better be prepared to have it scrutinized and debated.

When I was in grad school and was giving my research in progress presentation to the whole graduate school, I had to fend off questions tougher than ones posed here simply answering in circular logic would been disasterous.

I wish that they (believers) would ask the same questions of their faith and creationism that we have, but alas they want to be spoon fed have everything dictated and how, what...to believe and then expect us to follow with out question.

[IROC]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Really?...Where is that missing link again?...The world should be brimming with crossover species waiting patiently to defy entropy and go human.

Missing link? Sheesh.

If the theory of evolution predicted what you think it does, I wouldn't accept it either. Fortunately (for the theory) you don't know what you're talking about.

Learn, man! Open your mind! Use your head to actually learn something! It's not that hard.

[M.D. Holloway]

Defy entropy? Hmmm, not sure I follow. Entropy is just the measure of the capibility of a system to undergo spontaneous change. It also means the measure of disorder in a system specified by statistical mechanics. I always just considered it to be the ability of a system to develop into its most comfortable state - like iron to rust.

I guess one could try to defy change but then again I'm not so sure you would be successful. One thing you can't fight is genetics and if the coil decides to move, you have little influence - you just have to go along for the ride and see where the mutation takes you.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
you should try to avoid using words you don't understand

School is in session...

Main Entry: en·tro·py
Pronunciation: 'en-tr&-pE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -pies
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary 2en- + Greek tropE change, literally, turn, from trepein to turn

2 a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity b : a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder.

Order does not come from chaos, certainly order does not come from long term chaos. There may be an arrangement of order in the midst of chaos, but the natural state of matter is in a process of degradation, or its overall trend trends toward decay...evolution is a sham.

[jluetjen]

I believe that Astronomers have settled on a Hubble constant which will result in the Universe continuing to expland and cool indifinitely. Basically, the Universe will eventually burn out, and that's it. The stars will go out and then good night. This existance will have run it's course.

PS: Don't go selling your portfolio yet, it won't happen in the life time of anyone that you know.

[Moses]

Originally posted by jluetjen
Basically, the Universe will eventually burn out, and that's it. The stars will go out and then good night. This existance will have run it's course.

That does it. I'm outta here!

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
School is in session...

there is a difference between parroting and understanding.

Unfortunately that is another area that you don't quite fathom. But that's ok. God loves you. She doesn't really like you, but She loves you...

[snowman]

The study of little germs, some of them very evil germs, dosen't give anyone some special understanding of the world, let alone universe. We don't even understand the human body enough to determine how people develop type II diabetes. We don't understand the body well nuff to pevent the common cold, we have a VERY long way to go.

Physics is vastly superior to any other science. Why? Because we can test our theorys. Other sciences depend way to much on statistics to cover up the vast lack of knowledge in them. Many biological systems are non linear, and some illogical on the surface. Very very difficult to sort out the truth from fiction. What is the safe exposure to a toxic substance that is also necessary for health? And how does this work in detail? Such simple questions, such a black art with dabs of science.

[zuffen]

uh snowman, molecular biology is NOT the study of microbes..that would be micrbiology or virology


and you are correct in that we are still learning about biological processes, however just because we do not know yet does leed us to say god did it

what biological systems are you refering to?

What are you talking about with regards to toxicity? there are simple experiments to determine the adsorption and efficacy of a drug. pharmacology is not a black art but to a religious person it must seem so

the more you know.....

[nostatic]

Originally posted by snowman


Physics is vastly superior to any other science.

pure comedy gold!

[stuartj]

Originally posted by zuffen


"The truth is so simple. It's for ALL people.

Everyone gets to make the choice.

a. man's governments and endless searching or b. God's Kingdom.

I've made my choice. You don't have to like it."

None get a choice. God already knows what you will choose, what I will choose. We are His children, He made us that way.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
Unfortunately that is another area that you don't quite fathom. But that's ok. God loves you. She doesn't really like you, but She loves you...

Tell you what. You stop talking about subjects you do not know anything about, and I will stop talking about subjects that are ridiculous like evolution.

[RPKESQ]

The deal should be Null will stop talking about what he has little if any understanding of and rest of us can discuss this subject like adults.

Null, read your own posted definition on entropy: 2 a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity.

Now look up the word uniformity.

uniformity
The state of being uniform, alike and lacking diversity.

How in hell does that support your illogical statement:
Order does not come from chaos, certainly order does not come from long term chaos. There may be an arrangement of order in the midst of chaos, but the natural state of matter is in a process of degradation, or its overall trend trends toward decay...evolution is a sham.

Again and again, you spout this utter nonsense. School is definitly not in session for you (maybe never has been).

[IROC]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
School is in session...

Cutting and pasting a definition from some web site is not the same as learning.

What happens to entropy when you introduce energy into the system?

Mike