Evolution vs creationism

[Aurel]

That was pretty much my conclusion before I started the thread. Thanks.

Aurel

[Moses]

Originally posted by kang
You asked for it:

Evolution is a scientifically proven fact. Creationism is a religious metaphor, but some take it literally.

Damn, Kang! You reduced 24 pages of babble into two sentences. Good work.

[stevepaa]

Well, I would only amend kang's statement to say evolution is the best theory to explain scientific evidence of our origins. And like any mathematical theorem, it works until someone shows that it fails, which no one has. It is clear to me that the theory neither supports nor negates the influence of a god.

[trekkor]

it works until someone shows that it fails, which no one has.

The fossil record shows all the major groups of animals appeared suddenly and remained virtually unchanged.

Mutations have proved to be dangerous and fatal to life.
They do not lead to new species.

KT

[Aurel]

Originally posted by trekkor
The fossil record shows all the major groups of animals appeared suddenly and remained virtually unchanged.

Mutations have proved to be dangerous and fatal to life.
They do not lead to new species.

KT

Can you please provide a link or a reference proving how fossil records demonstrate what you claim? If you heard it from your preacher or read it in the bible, that does not constitute proof. You want to use scientific evidence, then bring it on: show us the scientific proof.

Aurel

[RPKESQ]

KT wrote:
The fossil record shows all the major groups of animals appeared suddenly and remained virtually unchanged.
Mutations have proved to be dangerous and fatal to life.
They do not lead to new species.
This is a patently false statement. Not one facet of your statement has any truth to it. The massive amount of documented evidence is all there for anyone to read and see and grows each day. You are lying if you continue to spread such falsehoods. You may try to use the excuse of a lack of knowledge to the contrary, but all that means is that you will push your beliefs, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Remember your stupidity is not an excuse to spread lies. Stop the evil of religious based lying.

[trekkor]

James, thanks for your post.

I'll just touch briefly on each of your comments.

"1. Do not kill.

are any members of your church in the military?"

We have NO members in the military.


"2. Are not political- keep separate from the world.

Please, Christianity has raised the republican party to idolitry and isists it forces christian ideology on all of us "

We are not politically motivated. We stand firm as neutral. We do not vote in the election of the world. We keep separate from the religions, too. Their conduct, as shown by world history, proves that they do not live according to God's requirements. John 17:14

"3. Preach God's kingdom as the solution to man's problems.

religions track record so far have been a smashing success"

No other religion preaches God's Kingdom worldwide.
In fact, in 2005 alone we spent 1,278,201,985 hours teaching the bible in 235 lands of the earth. Matthew 28:19,20

"4. Sanctify God's name...Jehovah.

by pandering to political parties (both sides) please explain how this is sanctifying?"

As noted above, we don't lobby for political position or power.
Instead we give our support to the Creator, Jehovah, whose name means "He causes to become". He will do whatever is needed to accomplish his will. He is the most high. Psalm 83:18.

"5. Have respect for God's word. Live by it.

Which word? what part? New testament? Old testament? some one interpretation? please clarify."

The complete 66 books of the bible.
For example: the scriptures clearly condemn homosexuality.
Therefore, we do not engage in that conduct. The opinions of the majority are a non-issue 2 timothy 3:16,17

"6. Have love for neighbor.

only if he is of the same mind as you..."

Incorrect. We speak to people of ALL walks of life at their homes and on the street. We also assist them in times of physical need.

Let's stop here for a moment...


KT

[trekkor]

Richard, name calling and disrespect will not prove anything except what type of a person you are. Please control yourself.

Where are the fossils that show changes from one species to another?
Where are the living mutants that have qualities superior to the current established species?

They should be easy for you to produce, right?

KT

[widebody911]

Originally posted by trekkor
Where are the living mutants that have qualities superior to the current established species?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by trekkor

Where are the living mutants that have qualities superior to the current established species?


KT

drug resistant strains of bacteria and viruses.

[stevepaa]

So I'll bite. KT when did all the species spring forth?

[trekkor]

Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig of the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany who has spent 28 years studying mutation genetics in plants said:

"These researchers thought the time had come to revolutionize the traditional method of breeding plants and animals. They thought that by inducing and selecting favorable mutations, they could produce new and better plants and animals".

"By the 1980's, the hopes and euphoria among scientists had ended in worldwide failure. Mutation breeding as a separate branch of research was abandoned in Western countries. Almost all the mutants exhibited 'negative selection values', that is, they died or were weaker than wild varieties".


KT

[Aurel]

So, Trekkor, you totally eluded my request for scientific proof of your claims. But I won`t let you off the hook on that one: you claimed something, you now have to substanciate it. I am waiting...

Aurel

[Moses]

Originally posted by widebody911

Thom is exactly correct. The tallest people in the world are from the Watusi tribe. Where do they live? In the grasslands of the savannah. Being tall enables hunters to spot game movement as they can see over the tall grass. Tall hunters kill more game, reproduce more often and have taller kids.

[trekkor]

Originally posted by stevepaa
So I'll bite. KT when did all the species spring forth?

During the creation.


KT

[trekkor]

The variation in humans is only that, variation. We are all still human. The human race are hardly all becoming giants.


KT

[trekkor]

Aurel, the fossil record speaks for itself.

The scientists have the record and it does not support the idea that the earth was or is filled with species changing to new ones over time.

If this was the case, they would be on display in all the exhibits and walking among us.


KT

[Aurel]

Originally posted by trekkor
During the creation.


KT

And when did the creation occur then?

Aurel

[Aurel]

Simple question then: Did humans and Dinosaurs live at the same time?

Aurel

[trekkor]

Originally posted by nostatic
drug resistant strains of bacteria and viruses.

That's it, just germs?
You have to do better than that...

Man introduces the drugs...


KT