Evolution vs creationism

[RPKESQ]

“So, Richard, you are saying that there isn't ONE religion today that is free from your claim?
There isn't ONE that kept free from fighting in any of the wars of the 20th century and as a result didn't kill their brothers in the faith?
Is that your final answer?
KT”

KT and some others,
You keep missing the point. Your 165,000 preaching in Germany are just the tip of it and part of the problem. All religions share a common trait. They all profess to have learned, or been told, or god gave them signs, or they are directed to, follow, preach, live, exist in a particular fashion. And that those who do not abide, will not be saved, enlightened, rewarded, etc. Now read carefully, and pick out the words or thoughts that apply to your individual belief. Do not go down the path that one or some of these words do not apply to your own belief. This essence is in all religions. Period. Sorry, that’s not my opinion, but the opinion of thousands of scholars with peer-reviewed research.

Now the only way to attract members to something that cannot provide a real world repeatable result is to make amazing claims (that you don’t have to back up). So all religions claim to be the right one (of course, who would knowingly follow the wrong one), this leads to an “us against them” philosophy (stronger in some religions than in others), this in turn is one of two major causes of bigotry, hatred and intolerance (the other is race/culture). And the cause of wars in all centuries and timeframes, on and on.

So, by claiming that all the others have it wrong, and only you or your group has it right, you continue to promote the vicious, cycle over and over. Name one religion who claims they don’t know the right way to attain whatever flavor of heaven, existence, enlightenment, etc., which they are promoting
.
That is why I do not bash Christians any more than any other religions. They are all fundamentally (pun) the same. What is wrong with one; is wrong with all of them. I try every day and in every way I can think of to stamp out racism and cultural intolerance. Why would I not try to do the same with the other cause of evil religion?

PS. Yes there are some variants of religions that are non-violent. But they are not guiltless. By promoting the idea (unsupportable idea) that there is some kind of god or such, and rejecting or opposing the teaching of science and the promoting of critical thinking, they prolong this eon old agony of ignorance, intolerance, hatred and bigotry that all religions have a hand in. Religions prey on people’s ignorance and insecurities. Stop the evil of religion.

[jluetjen]

OK RPKESQ;
NOW I understand where you're coming from and that this is thoughtful decision on your part. I'm OK with that. I'm not going to try to convert you. By now I trust you understand why I believe what I believe. We'll just agree to disagree and move on with this and other subjects. If you're ever in the Boston area, feel free to look me up. I'll treat you to a beer, or maybe some of our local ice cream. I almost met up IROC today but the schedule didn't work.

[RPKESQ]

Hey John,
My job takes me all over the place. I accept your invitation and extend it back to you if you are ever in my neck of the woods.
RPK

[nostatic]

Originally posted by RPKESQ

PS. Yes there are some variants of religions that are non-violent. But they are not guiltless. By promoting the idea (unsupportable idea) that there is some kind of god or such, and rejecting or opposing the teaching of science and the promoting of critical thinking, they prolong this eon old agony of ignorance, intolerance, hatred and bigotry that all religions have a hand in. Religions prey on people’s ignorance and insecurities. Stop the evil of religion.

I guess then maybe Buddhism isn't a religion under your definition. There is no god, and people are encouraged to use their own experience and thinking to make sense out of the world. That's part of the reason I was drawn to it...it made sense to me. There are certain sects that have deities and whatnot, but many do not, and the core set of beliefs are non-theist.

But we're all going to burn in hell so it doesn't matter

[trekkor]

1. Do not kill.
2. Are not political- keep seperate from the world.
3. Preach God's kingdom as the solution to man's problems.
4. Sanctify God's name...Jehovah.
5. Have respect for God's word. Live by it.
6. Have love for neighbor.


Just stop for a second and ask yourself how many different religions were on the ark?

Now take any religion and use the list above.
How do they measure up?

Of course false religion and it's members are responsible for the horrors of mankind's history. No arguement for me here.

My religion measures up to the list.
We do not promote hate or predjudice.
Everything we do is bible based.


KT

[nostatic]

Originally posted by trekkor

Just stop for a second and ask yourself how many different religions were on the ark?

not Christianity.

[trekkor]

This thread is the only thing that has evolved...

Soooo...

if you look at psalm 89:48 in the King James you will see that the word grave is used.
In psalm 16:10 the word hell is used.

The same word sheol is used in both instances in the Hebrew.
Sheol is the grave. Hell is too.
People think of hell as a place, yet in reality, it is just the grave.
No thoughts or feelings for the dead. Life ends at death.

Therefore, no burning.


KT

[nostatic]

but later verses specifically talk about suffering in hell.

Sorry, but the verses contradict each other. You may be able to rectify it, but on my reading, I cannot. But the bible contradicts itself plenty. That is to be expected of a document with multiple authors.

So was Christianity on the ark?

[trekkor]

not Christianity.

That's true. But, there was only one religion on the ark and they worshipped Jehovah.

That's the point.


KT

[nostatic]

Buddha was a stowaway.

[trekkor]

Originally posted by nostatic
but later verses specifically talk about suffering in hell.

Sorry, but the verses contradict each other. You may be able to rectify it, but on my reading, I cannot. But the bible contradicts itself plenty. That is to be expected of a document with multiple authors.

No contradiction in the verses. Grave and hell are interchangable.
Also pit, or memorial tomb.

Bt using "sheol" instead emliminates any confusion, which BTW is a result of false religious influence.

No where in the Hebrew scriptures or "old testament" is there any warning or reference to a burning hell.
Only returning to dust and being dead. Without thought.


KT

[trekkor]

Originally posted by nostatic
Buddha was a stowaway.

That made me laugh



KT

[snowman]

This whole thread is a laugh. Not a single poster is knowledgeable about Christianity. Amazing, and yet we are discussing the basic tenants of that religion.

I did suffer thru 8 years of Catholic school. I am not an expert, by any means, but youall are FULL of SHT. Big time.

Please do not discuss things you know NOTHING about.

Just respect those that do know and put up with the so called experts that know nothing.

If you want to know real answers then join the many groups that can help you learn the real tennants of the religion, not just the crap fed to you by idiots on the internet. If you do not want to expand your horizons and learn about out faith, then please respect those of us that have taken the time to learn the truth. Otherwise thake a flying leap.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by snowman
This whole thread is a laugh. Not a single poster is knowledgeable about Christianity. Amazing, and yet we are discussing the basic tenants of that religion.

I did suffer thru 8 years of Catholic school. I am not an expert, by any means, but youall are FULL of SHT. Big time.

Please do not discuss things you know NOTHING about.

Just respect those that do know and put up with the so called experts that know nothing.

If you want to know real answers then join the many groups that can help you learn the real tennants of the religion, not just the crap fed to you by idiots on the internet. If you do not want to expand your horizons and learn about out faith, then please respect those of us that have taken the time to learn the truth. Otherwise thake a flying leap.

You have no idea what anyone here knows or doesnt know. If your medievel belief system doesnt stand up to scrutiny of its basic pillars, or if you lack the knowledge, confidence or ability to defend those beliefs, perhaps you need to either:

1. Inform yourself.
2. Re-assess your beliefs.
3. Pull your head in.

Best regards

[jluetjen]

Originally posted by snowman
This whole thread is a laugh. Not a single poster is knowledgeable about Christianity. Amazing, and yet we are discussing the basic tenants of that religion.

eh-ehm...

Luke 6:37

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by snowman

I did suffer thru 8 years of Catholic school.

I also did 8yrs + I was an altar boy.

I was always saying to myself.. "That guy Snow is pretty bright."

Looking back I eventually figured out that I would have been better of to going to RC HS than party in public.


small world... lol

[zuffen]

KT

1. Do not kill.

are any members of your church in the military?

2. Are not political- keep seperate from the world.

Please, christianity has raised the republican party to idolitry and isists it forces christian ideology on all of us

3. Preach God's kingdom as the solution to man's problems.

religions track record so far have been a smashing success

4. Sanctify God's name...Jehovah.

by pandering to political parties (both sides) please explain how this is sanctifying?

5. Have respect for God's word. Live by it.

Which word? what part? New testament? Old testament? some one interpretation? please clarify.

6. Have love for neighbor.

only if he is of the same mind as you...

Just stop for a second and ask yourself how many different religions were on the ark?

None, there was no ark or flood!

Now take any religion and use the list above.
How do they measure up?

No religion measures up.

Of course false religion and it's members are responsible for the horrors of mankind's history. No arguement for me here.

no argument here

My religion measures up to the list.

what denomination are you a part of? please clarify

We do not promote hate or predjudice.

really? with out knowing what you fall under it is a little hard to tell.

Everything we do is bible based.

again which part? there are a lot of things in that book and well which is correct and which can we disregard?

And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched..--Mark 9:45-46

[kang]

Originally posted by trekkor

Just stop for a second and ask yourself how many different religions were on the ark?

You don’t actually believe there was an ark, made out of wood, on which they put two of every animal, along with enough fresh water and food to feed them for 40 days, do you? You don’t think the ark story is possibly just a metaphor? A boat made of wood to the dimensions specified in the bible would fall apart under its own weight. It would also be many, many times too small to carry two of each animal plus food and water. How could they possibly wander the globe and gather two of every animal and get them back to where they were building the ark? How could they possibly disperse them again afterwards?

There is no geological evidence of such a flood. No remnants of the ark have been found.

It’s amazing to me how so many people take things like the story of the ark at face value without even thinking about how illogical it is.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

I like these two lines:

If God is omnipotent, why not kill what He wanted killed directly? Why resort to a roundabout method that requires innumerable additional miracles?

The whole idea was to rid the wicked people from the world. Did it work?

[Aurel]

Wow, this is the biggest thread I ever started. I can`t beleive it is still going. I quit reading about the 4th page tho. Anyone care to wrap things up in a nice summary?

Aurel

[kang]

Originally posted by Aurel
Wow, this is the biggest thread I ever started. I can`t beleive it is still going. I quit reading about the 4th page tho. Anyone care to wrap things up in a nice summary?

Aurel

You asked for it:

Evolution is a scientifically proven fact. Creationism is a religious metaphor, but some take it literally.