Wow. Just Wow. Kevin Tillman speaks out - Page 4

lendaddy · 10-23-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Jim Richards
and I'm sure Rodeo will vouch for you.

We're pals, infact he wants me to car-sit his Lotus when he's out stumping for Obama in '08

Jim Richards · 10-23-2006, 12:30 PM

car-sit or car strip?

dd74 · 10-23-2006, 12:49 PM

Honestly, Tillman's letter would have much more impact if we were in the throes of a draft. Until then, he reads as if he is only a disgruntled soldier who had a brother who was a SS for the Arizona Cardinals.

The facts can't be mitigated; the Tillmans signed up; Pat went to Afghanistan, where OBL was located at the time, shielded by Taliban.

It's fantasy to think that had Iraq not started, there is a likelihood Pat Tillman would not have been killed.

Of course, that isn't discounting Bush's deceit of the American people at home, and American soldiers in Iraq. It's just the two incidents (Tillman's death and Iraq) can not be accurately linked.

lendaddy · 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo

How dare an American soldier that served honorably in Afghanistan and Iraq issue a statement! How dare he do it before an election!

Maybe soon, the president will declare him an "enemy combatant," and you won't have to be bothered with his kind anymore, daddy.

I dub thee....Sir Hyperbole, master of all that is manufactured and exaggerated.

Rodeo · 10-23-2006, 01:20 PM

You attack, mock, and "joke around" like a true pro.

Unfortunately, the few times you actually discuss substance, it's to tell us how Bush didn't say stay the course the few hundred times he said stay the course, and how mission accomplished didn't mean that the mission was, well, accomplished.

It's no wonder you stick to the wisecracks.

lendaddy · 10-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
You attack, mock, and "joke around" like a true pro.

Unfortunately, the few times you actually discuss substance, it's to tell us how Bush didn't say stay the course the few hundred times he said stay the course, and how mission accomplished didn't mean that the mission was, well, accomplished.

It's no wonder you stick to the wisecracks.

I'm now convinced that you really mean those things, and that's really sad. Sad that you cannot comprehend such elementary distinctions.

Jeff Higgins · 10-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Yea, the same issue as the House Repub leadership covering up for a child predator. It's not the substance the story, it's whatever can be used for a distraction from the substance.

How dare an American soldier that served honorably in Afghanistan and Iraq issue a statement! How dare he do it before an election!

Maybe soon, the president will declare him an "enemy combatant," and you won't have to be bothered with his kind anymore, daddy.

No one has an issue with the substance of Tillman's story. To believe that one man's, or his brother's suffering, will ever affect our foreign policy is incredibly stupid. To believe the Tillmans are somehow special in their suffering does everyone else that lost a loved one a disservice. Worse yet, you and your cohorts' feigned concern over this one man disgraces him. Parading him about as your anti-war pre-election poster boy is one of the more shameful things I think I have seen you do. The only fallen heroes that matter to you are the ones you can get some mileage out of in your anti-Bush crusade.

Rodeo · 10-23-2006, 01:29 PM

Yep, they're heroes so long as they are dead and cannot offer criticism of your cult leader or his foolish, dishonest and cowardy ways.

When they are alive, and if they dare speak out, they become traitors that spew "crap" and do not deserve the right to speak.

GWB has tapped into the little authoritarians everywhere. It's both sad and sickening to see them come out of the woodwork.

sammyg2 · 10-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Seems to me that it is either a bunch of BS made up by some wacko lib, or it is written by a fool who volunteered for something and then *****ed because he got what he asked for.

I got a clue for anyone else out there thinking of joining the service:
IT AINT LIKE IN THE MOVIES!
Ever hear the saying "war is hell"? It isn't supposed to all nice nice and fair. It is killing, it is ugly, and it is nasty. At least it better be or you will have the same fate as france in WWII.
Go ahead, try to be polite in a war and see how long you last. Damnfools. bahhh!

Jeff Higgins · 10-23-2006, 02:13 PM

Gotta hand it to you Rodeo, you are a shifty one. Another one of your manufactured little fables has been exposed for what it is, so you change the topic and pretend that is what you were talking about all along.

This is not about other heroes speaking out. This isn't even about Tillman speaking out. It's about guiless, spineless, immoral bastards using his grief to further their agenda. He will be yesterday's news just as soon as he has served their purpose. And you are doing your best to help them.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally posted by Jim Richards
Maybe he'd like to not be a victim of friendly fire.

...or maybe he would rather his brother did not play political games in his name; it is impossible to know. The brother may be sincere, but his timing makes him suspect.

Why wait so long, he just completed his enlistment is the only thing that makes any sense at all, and even that does not really. If he is sincere, he speaks out right away.

Jeff Higgins · 10-23-2006, 05:01 PM

He is sincere enough for folks like Rodeo. As long as they can use him to attack Bush, their real purpose in publicizing his words, they are happy. He has become incredibly predictible and one dimensional. Like the little dog in Dr. Doolittle ("throw the ball throw the ball throw he ball throw the ball...") he is incapable of of focusing on anything else other than "get Bush get Bush get Bush get Bush..." Even if it means using others' pain and suffering to do so. How sad. How utterly deplorable.

Rodeo · 10-23-2006, 05:11 PM

It is deplorable to disagree with the president, or post the writing of a soldier in disagreement with the president. How utterly un-American of me to engage in free speech, or to agree with others engaging in free speech.

What a horrible country we live in that someone like Mr. Tillman can criticize the president as the phony, incompetent liar that he is.

If you mouthbreathers have the opportunity, Mr. Tillman will be behind bars, as will all the other "deplorable" citizens that do not celebrate the greatness of Mr. Bush.

lendaddy · 10-23-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
It is deplorable to disagree with the president, or post the writing of a soldier in disagreement with the president. How utterly un-American of me to engage in free speech, or to agree with others engaging in free speech.

What a horrible country we live in that someone like Mr. Tillman can criticize the president as the phony, incompetent liar that he is.

If you mouthbreathers have the opportunity, Mr. Tillman will be behind bars, as will all the other "deplorable" citizens that do not celebrate the greatness of Mr. Bush.

Rodeo · 10-23-2006, 05:24 PM

The first tool in Mr. Higgins arsenal, to shut up "deplorable" people that criticize the president:

(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- (A) The term "unlawful enemy combatant" means--

(ii) a person who *** has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a *** competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.

If the president says you are an "unlawful enemy combatant" using his hand-picked people, that's what you are. How could he not use this provision against "deplorable" people that dare speak their mind two weeks before an election? People that criticize policies and therefore "hate" the president.

How dare Mr. Tillman attempt to influence the election. Who does he think he is?

Wrecked944 · 10-23-2006, 05:26 PM

Here's an idea. How about after Nov 7, we apply some simple rules to OT.

Rule #1) The party that loses the election shuts the f*ck up.
Rule #2) The party that wins the election stops responding to posts by the party that lost when they fail to adhere to Rule #1.

The nest result is that *everybody* shuts the f*ck up - but some do it more smugly...

fastpat · 10-23-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by JanusCole
Here's an idea. How about after Nov 7, we apply some simple rules to OT.

Rule #1) The party that loses the election shuts the f*ck up.
Rule #2) The party that wins the election stops responding to posts by the party that lost when they fail to adhere to Rule #1.

The nest result is that *everybody* shuts the f*ck up - but some do it more smugly...

Since my party has virtually no dog in this hunt, the above leaves me with an almost clear field.

Are you ready for that?

Rodeo · 10-23-2006, 05:29 PM

How deplorable of you to suggest that some side might lose the election. Are you trying to infuence the election? Why did you wait till now to bring up your suggesiton? I find the timing of your announcement, two weeks before the election, deplorable.

Wrecked944 · 10-23-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Since my party has virtually no dog in this hunt, the above leaves me with an almost clear field.Are you ready for that?

I'd be fine with it. But I think I may be in the minority...

lendaddy · 10-23-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
How deplorable of you to suggest that some side might lose the election. Are you trying to infuence the election? Why did you wait till now to bring up your suggesiton? I find the timing of your announcement, two weeks before the election, deplorable.

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