What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand? - Page 2

jorian · 01-15-2007, 01:15 PM

The people on this thread have the luxury of advocating politically suicidal security measures. We don't have to get re-elected.

Unfortunately the buck always stops with someone who has to answer to the electorate.

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

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Originally posted by jorian
The people on this thread have the luxury of advocating politically suicidal security measures. We don't have to get re-elected.

Unfortunately the buck always stops with someone who has to answer to the electorate.

Imagine trying to get reelected after failing to implement measures to protect the citizenry results in a catastrophic attack. We have been warned. Now we have no excuse.

Joeaksa · 01-15-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by jorian
The people on this thread have the luxury of advocating politically suicidal security measures. We don't have to get re-elected.

Unfortunately the buck always stops with someone who has to answer to the electorate.

Just another reason for term limits. With term limits the people in office have more of a reason to do what is right, as opposed to what it would take to get re-elected.

Is not doing the right thing any better? As Stoney says above, doing nothing nothing in a time like this is much worse.

m21sniper · 01-15-2007, 01:32 PM

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Did I say anything about that? No, I said that the majority of them are peaceful. If they weren't, we'd all be dead. There clearly is a substantial minority that is radicalized. They need to be stopped. But in doing so, you have to be careful that the cure isn't worse than the disease...

The majority of Nazi Germans were peaceful too fella.

dtw · 01-15-2007, 01:44 PM

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... Nazi ...

Tower, I need confirmation on a thread kill, over?

lendaddy · 01-15-2007, 01:47 PM

"The Nazis had little pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear"

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Godwin's Rule wins again...

on-ramp · 01-15-2007, 02:06 PM

Joe, i think you're trying to make a case for ethnic discrimination. that's against the law here in the US, and for very good reason.

Joeaksa · 01-15-2007, 02:18 PM

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Joe, i think you're trying to make a case for ethnic discrimination. that's against the law here in the US, and for very good reason.

And I suppose killing over 3000 people on 9/11 is legal?

Do we really need it to happen again, perhaps on a larger scale this time to wake us up?

on-ramp · 01-15-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
And I suppose killing over 3000 people on 9/11 is legal?

Do we really need it to happen again, perhaps on a larger scale this time to wake us up?

no, of course not...but how about killing hundreds of thousands in Iraq and 3,000+ men/women in uniform over a crazy war? Is that legal?

your attempt is to use the fear card to discriminate....there are better ways to fight terrorism than to line up Arabs at the airport and hold them for questioning.

Joeaksa · 01-15-2007, 02:36 PM

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there are better ways to fight terrorism than to line up Arabs at the airport and hold them for questioning.

By lining up 12 year old kids and 70 year old grandmothers and searching them, whilst letting the Arabs walk past on to the plane? This is a better plan?

Fear? Hell yes, because a lot of us are afraid of what IS GOING TO HAPPEN if things do not change.

Right now the Brits are watching a minimum of 1600 groups of people in the UK for links to terrorist groups. Considering how small the UK is, how many do you think we have in America right now?

Flatbutt1 · 01-15-2007, 02:36 PM

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[i]....there are better ways to fight terrorism than to line up Arabs at the airport and hold them for questioning. [/B]

you've got my attention

Moses · 01-15-2007, 02:46 PM

on-ramp · 01-15-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
By lining up 12 year old kids and 70 year old grandmothers and searching them, whilst letting the Arabs walk past on to the plane? This is a better plan?

Fear? Hell yes, because a lot of us are afraid of what IS GOING TO HAPPEN if things do not change.

Right now the Brits are watching a minimum of 1600 groups of people in the UK for links to terrorist groups. Considering how small the UK is, how many do you think we have in America right now?

so what do you propose? specifically....

tdatk · 01-15-2007, 02:50 PM

I think we should throw them in the river to see if their made of wood.

Joeaksa · 01-15-2007, 02:53 PM

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so what do you propose? specifically....

Do what El Al, the Israeli airline does. Profile everyone. Anyone who stands out gets a lot of extra attention.

Top on the list are young moslem males and so on. They distrust everyone and work from there.

The way we are doing it now is simply a waste of time and resources, as well as dangerous.

Jims5543 · 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
By lining up 12 year old kids and 70 year old grandmothers and searching them, whilst letting the Arabs walk past on to the plane? This is a better plan?

Fear? Hell yes, because a lot of us are afraid of what IS GOING TO HAPPEN if things do not change.

Right now the Brits are watching a minimum of 1600 groups of people in the UK for links to terrorist groups. Considering how small the UK is, how many do you think we have in
America right now?

Happened to my 12 y/o son.
Pilots.. TSA + 12 year old kids?

For the record I am mistaken for Pakinstani by Pakistani's I am very ethnic looking and to a wonder bread white boy I would look ME to them. I could easily be profiled as well.

If the terrorist actions in the ME were delt with decades ago in the ME where it was primarily going on. We would not be having this conversation.

on-ramp · 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Do what El Al, the Israeli airline does. Profile everyone. Anyone who stands out gets a lot of extra attention.

Top on the list are young moslem males and so on. They distrust everyone and work from there.

The way we are doing it now is simply a waste of time and resources, as well as dangerous.

well, before you do that, you need to get rid of all the lawyers..

besides , what makes you so sure they will target airlines again? another 9/11 would be difficult to pull off.. could be something entirely different we haven't thought of. how do you use racial/ethnic profiling then?

fastpat · 01-15-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
And I suppose killing over 3000 people on 9/11 is legal?

Do we really need it to happen again, perhaps on a larger scale this time to wake us up?

He's beginning to appear panicky.

Don't panic, Joe, we're here for you.

Flatbutt1 · 01-15-2007, 03:03 PM

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well, before you do that, you need to get rid of all the lawyers..

maybe not if you profile everyone and can show stats on how many from each race etc