What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
Happened to my 12 y/o son.
Pilots.. TSA + 12 year old kids?



For the record I am mistaken for Pakinstani by Pakistani's I am very ethnic looking and to a wonder break white boy I would look ME to them. I could easily be profiled as well.

If the terrorist actions in the ME were delt with decades ago in the ME where it was primarily going on. We would not be having this conversation.

I knew I should have asked for your ID when I had a chance.

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by Flatbutt1
maybe not if you profile everyone and can show stats on how many from each race etc

if you profile everyone, then it's not profiling...

[ckissick]

Originally posted by coloradoporsche
My best man (in my wedding) is a 30-something Arab guy with a very foreign sounding last name. The guy's family escaped from Iraq in the 80's when Sadam took power and started executing his political opponents.

So basically my friend grew up here. He is American as apple pie. One of the finest human beings I'e ever known.

Why should he singled out and treated like a second-class citizen while the white folk skirt the security line at the airport?

Is that difficult for you to understand?

He should be singled out because if you don't know him, he fits the profile and is more likely to be a terrorist. That's all.

I once took a charter bus from my college in London to Amsterdam for a weekend of fun. Most of my fellow passengers and friends were Middle Eastern. Before we got to customs, they all joked about how long it would take to get through, and were prepared for it. They informed me of the drill, knowing that with my blond hair and blue eyes I always went right through. We were detained for about two hours, with bomb-sniffing dogs and the works. No one showed the least bit of annoyance. We knew we would be delayed for a long time, and we took it in stride. It was not a big deal.

[wrcRS]

The main purpose to NOT profile people is that MOST Muslim followers are NOT terrorists. Just like MOST Christians are NOT Abortion doctor slayers. Just like MOST middle age white males are NOT child molestors.

Get over it. If your christian we are not going to start questioning you because some hard core nut job killed a doctor.

Think about it...there might even be Mid eastern people who are Christians! We can NOT become the enemy. We must remember to not hate or discriminate others who are not white.

[fintstone]

Although all Muslims are not terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslim. With limited resources to search and investigate...it seems prudent to concentrate on the most likely subjects.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
Although all Muslims are not terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslim. With limited resources to search and investigate...it seems prudent to concentrate on the most likely subjects.

That's not true, either. The US government has been terrorizing Somalia for years, they terrorized Iraq for over ten years, and have already started a terror campaign in Syria and Iran.

In the past, the US government supported terror campaigns throughout Central and South America. All of which met, fully, the classic definition of terrorism.

[livi]

Problem is the Islamic phenomenon is based on emotions rather than rational thinking.

Burned children fear fire. With any means possible. No matter how irrational the logic. Fear and hate tend to group people together.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
That's not true, either. The US government has been terrorizing Somalia for years, they terrorized Iraq for over ten years, and have already started a terror campaign in Syria and Iran.

In the past, the US government supported terror campaigns throughout Central and South America. All of which met, fully, the classic definition of terrorism.

Depends on your definition of terrorism I guess. I would imagine you view bases in a foreign country as a form of terrorism. So we must consider the source.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Depends on your definition of terrorism I guess. I would imagine you view bases in a foreign country as a form of terrorism. So we must consider the source.

Ditto and without the above source most everyone agrees.

[artplumber]

There are plenty of domestic terrorists who are not muslim or middle eastern guys. Don't you think they'd love to call attention to themselves as well? Remember all the earth liberation/animal liberation front folks and all the nazi-type folks. They've been killing non-white americans burning their businesses down etc for hundreds of years....

[wrcRS]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Depends on your definition of terrorism I guess. I would imagine you view bases in a foreign country as a form of terrorism. So we must consider the source.

How would americans feel about having German Air Force Bases laid out through our country? Or how about a North Korean nuclear site in Alaska?

Do I think we need to be all over the world. No, and their isn't a reason to be anymore either.

[Victor]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
*SNIP*
I am sure that there are peaceful Moslems out there somewhere in the world (most of them in Chicago I bet) but the rest of them sure seem to be plotting against every Western country that defies them. Its time for us to stop pussyfooting around and go for their neck.

Well, 97% of the population in Iraq are Muslim. That makes about 25,000,000 of them.

You insinuate that all "Moslems" are terrorists. You must be really upset that so much of your countries resources (not to mention lives) are being squandered to "give them freedom".

No wonder you spend so much time crapping on around here.

[holtjv]

I think the assumption that muslims are more likely to deliberately terrorize the world is absolutely valid. Most of us can agree that suicide bombing is not something a non-Muslim is likely to do, whether that person is muslim-looking or not.

Islam is the religion of the undeveloped world. The people of the ME and SS Africa get their education and spiritual guidance from an exclusive religious source. And when contradictory information appears, the religious card comes out.

If you look at the state of Christian nations 500 years ago, the level of literacy, type of government, and the influence of religion were not that much different from modern day Islamic nations.

Does this mean that in 500 or 600 years Islamic nations will be up to current Christian nations' literacy rates and type of government?

Jack

[holtjv]

Originally posted by holtjv
I think the assumption that muslims are more likely to deliberately terrorize the world is absolutely valid. Most of us can agree that suicide bombing is not something a non-Muslim is likely to do, whether that person is muslim-looking or not....

Well that was a lame post, totally on a tangent. But I guess it does support the fact that profiling muslim looking people is intuitive.

But let's not forget that the big damage is going to come from the smartest terrorists--and OBL and his crew realizes that the stereotypical muslim male stands out and may be profiled.

So they'll start stashing crap in old ladies' handbags. Or whatever.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Victor
Well, 97% of the population in Iraq are Muslim. That makes about 25,000,000 of them.

You insinuate that all "Moslems" are terrorists. You must be really upset that so much of your countries resources (not to mention lives) are being squandered to "give them freedom".

No wonder you spend so much time crapping on around here.

Victor,

Good you can chime in here, we needed a slanted foreign viewpoint on things!

Slightly incorrect Sir. I insinuate that they are either "with us or against us" as our President stated years ago, either one way or the other. They can stand up and help us or slink back into the shadows. The longer that they stay in the shadows, the closer they become with their terrorist brothers.

We are trying to give them the freedom to make a choice, hopefully the right choice, something that many of them have not had in most of their lives.

They are not able to post the drivel... ahemm, opinion that you keep trying to shove down our necks. You are always on the side of the downtrodden and many of us feel that its time that the downtrodden pick themselves up out of the mud and stand their ground. Someone fought and died in the past to give you the possiblity to say what you feel is correct and now we in the coalition forces are doing the same thing for the Iraqi's.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by holtjv
Does this mean that in 500 or 600 years Islamic nations will be up to current Christian nations' literacy rates and type of government?

Jack

Not if males in power they have their way, but they can hold out only so long. They still want all the women barefoot, covered and pregnant and not to ever be educated. Only the males can go to school and never higher than needed for their position in life.

That said, I just returned from two months in the Middle East and things in Iraq, Saudi, Dubai and so on are improving by the week. Now ladies are allowed to drive in many of the countries over there and Dubai wearing of the abaya is optional, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Give things 3-5 years and if the entire place is not a glass parking lot, the women are driving a revolution over there. It will not be easy but they have seen and felt what its like to be equal and will not be held back forever.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Victor
Well, 97% of the population in Iraq are Muslim. That makes about 25,000,000 of them.

You insinuate that all "Moslems" are terrorists. You must be really upset that so much of your countries resources (not to mention lives) are being squandered to "give them freedom".

No wonder you spend so much time crapping on around here.

Best estimates are that the number of radical "Islamists" (the governments word) is about 5000 people world wide. The US government spent $200 billion "fighting them" last year, enough to give each one of them $40 million in cash.

Cost effective?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Not if males in power they have their way, but they can hold out only so long. They still want all the women barefoot, covered and pregnant and not to ever be educated. Only the males can go to school and never higher than needed for their position in life.

That said, I just returned from two months in the Middle East and things in Iraq, Saudi, Dubai and so on are improving by the week. Now ladies are allowed to drive in many of the countries over there and Dubai wearing of the abaya is optional, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Give things 3-5 years and if the entire place is not a glass parking lot, the women are driving a revolution over there. It will not be easy but they have seen and felt what its like to be equal and will not be held back forever.

It's sad to see someone who sincerely believes this claptrap. It's so much mythology as to call into question his ability to hold a professional license.

[Victor]

Howdy Joe - I haven't chimed in for ages and figured it was high time as I was beginning to feel like a stranger.

Krikey - me shove an opinion down your neck? Heavens forbid - merely (as you correctly put it) a foreign viewpoint on things.

I'll go back to chilling out in my terror-free foreign country of bliss and prosperity and leave you to your biased, angst ridden hell hole.

By the way - I thought you where a Christian? Was Jesus not the champion of the downtrodded? Maybe not any more - llast time I checked he had his hands full with my brother's multi million $$ investment portfolio.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Victor
I'll go back to chilling out in my terror-free foreign country of bliss and prosperity and leave you to your biased, angst ridden hell hole.

The "angst ridden hell hole" is self generated, and remains in his head. Most of us are living good, relaxed lives.