What part of this is so frigging difficult to understand?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Snip...

That said, I just returned from two months in the Middle East and things in Iraq, Saudi, Dubai and so on are improving by the week. Now ladies are allowed to drive in many of the countries over there and Dubai wearing of the abaya is optional, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Give things 3-5 years and if the entire place is not a glass parking lot, the women are driving a revolution over there. It will not be easy but they have seen and felt what its like to be equal and will not be held back forever.

So if they are "catching up" on their own why the fuch are we in there? There be no WMD's, no link to 911. To free the people and promote democracy? I personally hate and resist unsolicted "help"and "advice", gotta figure a lot of them don't like it either.

Why not do with Saddam what we did with Castro? He can't live forever and the citizens will come along in their own time on their own terms as are, by your observation, other areas of the ME. Hell if they are improving by the week we should all be singing kum ba ya around a campfire before the 08 elections.

[wrcRS]

"You can't teach an old dog new tricks"

The middle east is OLD. There is no way that a young pup like america is going to change the middle east. They will do what they feel like doing, which believe it or not...will probably include fighting each other. They will probably fight each other for long after our time on earth is up.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by stomachmonkey
...Why not do with Saddam what we did with Castro? He can't live forever ...

Folks like you said that about Castro 40 years ago....and yet another generation has had to live their entire lives under a brutal dictator...

[wrcRS]

Originally posted by fintstone
Folks like you said that about Castro 40 years ago....and yet another generation has had to live their entire lives under a brutal dictator...

Who cares...we don't live there. Sh!$ is messed up in a lot of places. Giving them democracy is not going to fix anything.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by wrcRS
Who cares...we don't live there. Sh!$ is messed up in a lot of places. Giving them democracy is not going to fix anything.

But later when their crazy leaders start building WMD or do other crazy crap....it clearly would have been better to democratize them when we could.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
But later when their crazy leaders start building WMD or do other crazy crap....it clearly would have been better to democratize them when we could.

There is zero evidence that democracy produces good government while others forms of government do not.

You really have drunk vast quantities of the Bush'ist KoolAid.

[Victor]

Originally posted by fastpat
The "angst ridden hell hole" is self generated, and remains in his head. Most of us are living good, relaxed lives.

Keep it that way and never let paranoid little wankers get you down.

[adrian jaye]

Don't be such an ignorant braindead redneck

I am sure that there are peaceful Moslems out there somewhere in the world (most of them in Chicago I bet) but the rest of them sure seem to be plotting against every Western country that defies them. [/B]

[adrian jaye]

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by wludavid


This man's name is Theodore Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber.



This white guy is Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Yes, a great number of terrorists are Muslim. But we should remember that Muslims do not account for ALL terrorists.

This is not a new argument. What is so friggin difficult to understand about that?

[adrian jaye]

Please quote your source for this finding ?

Originally posted by fintstone
Although all Muslims are not terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslim. With limited resources to search and investigate...it seems prudent to concentrate on the most likely subjects.

[Victor]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Not if males in power they have their way, but they can hold out only so long. They still want all the women barefoot, covered and pregnant and not to ever be educated. Only the males can go to school and never higher than needed for their position in life.

That said, I just returned from two months in the Middle East and things in Iraq, Saudi, Dubai and so on are improving by the week. Now ladies are allowed to drive in many of the countries over there and Dubai wearing of the abaya is optional, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Give things 3-5 years and if the entire place is not a glass parking lot, the women are driving a revolution over there. It will not be easy but they have seen and felt what its like to be equal and will not be held back forever.

Covered or not, permitted to arrive at the mall under their own steam or not - they are still "MOSLEMS" buddy - and therefore terrorists - out to kill you. Read your own twit brained post again and again. You'll get it. Eventually.

"Especially when the safety is off"......what a dweeb.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by fastpat
It's sad to see someone who sincerely believes this claptrap. It's so much mythology as to call into question his ability to hold a professional license.

Please tell us your vast experience in the Middle East and with the Islamic folks?

Its not difficult to believe, especially when you can see it every day on the streets of almost every city in the Middle East.

[NICKG]

cool chick? anyone see a cool chick? phone call for cool chick...please pick up the white courtesy phone.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by adrian jaye
Please quote your source for this finding ?

That is rather silly, don't you think? How could you even begin to try to make a point that most terrorists are not Muslim? I will humor you since you apparently believe you have some sort of point here. Obviously a terrorist is a person that performs acts of terrorism.
Start with common definitions for terrorism:

American Heritage Dictionary
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Wordnet© 2005 Princeton University
n. The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

How many Non-Muslim terrorists can you name? 2, 3? Probably not as many as were in on the 9/11 plot, much less those involved the bombings in Bali, Spain, England...the Cole, The Marine barracks in Lebanon, several US Embassies, the first World Trade Center Bombing, the Russian school murders...etc. Even without adding in the dozens of daily suicide bombings in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Palestine etc.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by fintstone
That is rather silly, don't you think? How could you even begin to try to make a point that most terrorists are not Muslim? I will humor you since you apparently believe you have some sort of point here. Obviously a terrorist is a person that performs acts of terrorism.
Start with common definitions for terrorism:

American Heritage Dictionary
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Wordnet© 2005 Princeton University
n. The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

How many Non-Muslim terrorists can you name? 2, 3? Probably not as many as were in on the 9/11 plot, much less those involved the bombings in Bali, Spain, England...the Cole, The Marine barracks in Lebanon, several US Embassies, the first World Trade Center Bombing, the Russian school murders...etc. Even without adding in the dozens of daily suicide bombings in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Palestine etc.

crickets chirping

Reality and common sense have no place in this argument Fint!

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock

crickets chirping

Reality and common sense have no place in this argument Fint!

Boy aint that the truth! Now all we need is the crazy chic posting that these people are not terrorists, they are simply miss-understood and need more loving...

[scottmandue]

To take this one step further...

Edit: I am the last person that would advocate removal of religious freedoms, it is a basic American right.

If we know the clerics that are preaching terrorism why don't we deport them back to the ME? I'm pretty sure plotting to overthrow the government is a deport-able offense right?

If I were in a Christian church where the pastor was calling for illegal actions I would be on the phone to the authorities immediately.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by scottmandue
To take this one step further...

Edit: I am the last person that would advocate removal of religious freedoms, it is a basic American right.

If we know the clerics that are preaching terrorism why don't we deport them back to the ME? I'm pretty sure plotting to overthrow the government is a deport-able offense right?

If I were in a Christian church where the pastor was calling for illegal actions I would be on the phone to the authorities immediately.

Scott,

This is one of the scary things about this situation. We have numerous cases where the Imam (preacher) has pushed and pushed the faithful to kill the infidels, and guess what? Someone finally does it but what about the rest of the faithful? They did nothing, not one phone call and sat back and watched.

This has happened time and time again and the faithful did nothing. Wonderful religion isnt it?

[fastpat]

What this thread shows, beyond doubt, that the national nightmare of the neo-conservative dominance of government cannot be over too soon.

Neocons need to be relagated to soap boxes on streetcorners along side others with politically wacky ideas.

[creaturecat]

Originally posted by fintstone
.........................
American Heritage Dictionary
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Wordnet© 2005 Princeton University
n. The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear..................

READ the print Mr. Fint;

Is this not what the US is doing ? Is this not the action(s) that you, personally have advocated?

By definition it would appear that you (and your country) are the terrorist.