CCW - When And Where Do You Carry?

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Originally posted by thrown_hammer
I carry in the shower, while scuba diving, milking cows, mowing the lawn, checking my son's homework, giving the dog a bath, anytime I am outside, Reading the paper, shoveling snow, darning my socks, and building model airplanes.

I even carry when taking a dump...just in case I have to shoot the *****!

[Jeff Higgins]

I find it puzzling that otherwise sane, intelligent people see no need to provide for their own defense. And then stoop to childish ridicule of those who accept this responsibility.

It seems (speaking in generalities) that this is the same ilk who are happy to have a nanny state address all of their other needs as well. No matter that that very state has proven it cannot effectively do so in any arena, much less self defense. They so very wish it would, it could (all the while anxiously wringing their hands), it should, that they are blinded by their own ideals. Oh well; their idealism is at their peril, not mine.

I choose to take responsibility for my own defense. I drive with my seatbelts on and have never "needed" them. I ride wearing a crash helmet, and have only used it once in 30+ years. I keep several fire extinguishers in my home, and have never used one. I have several smoke alarms that have never gone off. I don't run with scissors. These are all seen as "reasonable precautions" by the very same hand-wringing, nanny-state ninnies that deride those of us that choose to provide for our own defense. They are in denial; they are irresponsible cowards. Which is fine, as long as they don't expect me to join them.

[thrown_hammer]

I have a CCW and carry. Sometimes I just like to trick Pat into thinking I am immoral. Come to think of it, fires are always trying to burn me. What a conundrum!

EDIT: Great now I am immoral and a ninnie! I am getting t-shirts made.

[HardDrive]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins

It seems (speaking in generalities) that this is the same ilk who are happy to have a nanny state address all of their other needs as well.

Thats it.

I think its a throw back to the 1960's. There was a need for social change. Lacking any forceful tools to change people attitudes and mores, 'progressive' thinkers (liberals) and civil rights activitsts turned to the legal/legislative process to evoke change. To a certain extent, they succeded.

But that has lead to, like you said, the belief that government can to anything. Are you a poor child with terrible parents? No problem, the state will be your parent. Are you a junkie? No problem, its no YOUR fault your a junkie. The state must have failed you somewhere along the way.

At the end of the day, liberals don't understand that the government, as large and expensive as it is, is actually a thin veneer on top of our society. Government control is loose and only partially effective. Just look at the border with Mexico.

Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their own actions, and for providing for themselves and the familys.

Any other belief is a utopian fantasy.

[TSNAPCRACKLEPOP]

AN UNLOADED GUN IS JUST A CLUB.

[charleskieffner]

well here we go again.............the haves and the have nots!

lot less crime 125 years ago here in the west despite dime store novelist's rendition of western life. reason EVERYONE CARRIED A GUN ALL THE TIME!

i think i mentioned this basic animal/human analogy. the hungry big bad mtn. lion does NOT go after the BIG BAD BULL ELK! he goes after the old,the weak,the females, the injured. same brain process with criminal mind. bad guy doesnt go after heavily armed big bad SWAT TEAM MEMBER to steal his wallet.

so in the states that do allow CCW, the bad guy now has to be a hell of alot smarter than his victim. bad guy doesnt know that lil ol me has a big .45. . bad guy probably doesnt think twice about me, cuz i look like a slob most of the time, wearing jeans t-shirt, flip flops,shorts hawaiian shirt. but when bad guy sees me go to atm, he thinks i have alot of money. little does bad guy know that i have a .45, and little does he know i probably only w/drew $40 bucks. also bad guy isnt likely to fuch w/me since i'm 6'3 200 #'s. bad guy is going to wait for little old lady, guy on crutches/wheelchair to pounce upon.

what a dumb ass bad guy............lil old lady packs a glock and guy in wheelchair packs a colt!

now when you go out in p-car...........what are you saying to the world????? come on we all know a p-car feels like a billion bucks to drive around in. especially if you got a SQUEEZE w/you. what does bad guy think? theres lil preppy boy w/a wallet full of cash and a nice piece of a$$ i want, because i havent gotten any in the last 10 years cuz i was in the joint!

with that mentality.............you or i are about to become a victim like it or NOT!

i choose to protect my squeeze, keep my $40 bucks, keep my p-car and STAY ALIVE!

thats the beauty and the POWER OF US CCW HOLDERS vs the have nots. we get to choose the circumstances and draw the line on the playing field in the animal kingdom.

only difference btwn humans and animals, is humans are able to reason, right from wrong. not all humans do so. thats why there are guns to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

peace thru superior overwhelming FIREPOWER!

HAPPINESS IS (2) SAFES FULL OF WARM GUNS...........YES IT IS!

my GUNS ARE FASTER THAN YOUR PORSCHE and my GUNS HAVE MORE KUNG FU THAN YOUR KUNG FU!

CCW's for everyone who wants one and can pass a psych. test and the world will be a better place!

now for the have nots............just to piss you off. the country of iraq, w/the united states blessing, allows each household to own (1) genuine full auto AK-47 w/ (2) clips and (1) handgun! go figure??????

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
I find it puzzling that otherwise sane, intelligent people see no need to provide for their own defense. And then stoop to childish ridicule of those who accept this responsibility.

They are in denial; they are irresponsible cowards. Which is fine, as long as they don't expect me to join them.

If you feel like you need to have a handgun with you, go ahead, just don't try to make us think it is a responsiblity, a must do to be a brave man. BS


If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

[charleskieffner]

stevepaa all the money in the world will not allow you a CCW in the republik of kalif. no matter how rich you may be, you cant legally carry concealed.

i am not rich and i can legally carry concealed.

i have just proven the "haves" and "have nots" theory of true power and meaning in the world!

i get to choose if i want to carry or if i dont. not someone sitting on their fat A$$ in sacramento, kalif. with a swat team guarding them 24/7/365.

personally after umpteen years of carrying concealed, i really avoid states that do not honor CCW's unless i have to go on biz or vacation. and the only thing that gets me to hawaii is the diving. i'm more afeared any day of the meth head bruddahs than i am any damn tiger shark or hammerhead or black tip.

all of us CHOOSE TO CARRY CONCEALED. reasons each of us only know. my reason.................too many murders around me in kalif and arizona and we are not talking the barrios! we are talking very nice zip codes.

imagine if mickey thompson and his wife trudy in kalif., were carrying concealed on the day of their murders. maybe i wouldnt be writing in the past tense.

stick that one in your pipe and smoke it!

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Originally posted by charleskieffner




imagine if mickey thompson and his wife trudy in kalif., were carrying concealed on the day of their murders. maybe i wouldnt be writing in the past tense.

U should really shut up while your ahead.

Do U carry while you go out and pick up the newspaper in your driveway in the mornining? Cause thats about the time it happened, and the way it happened. They were no random murders either, but paid hit men. Thompson lived in a Gated Community up in the Foothills in Bradybury, CA.

[tabs]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
I find it puzzling that otherwise sane, intelligent people see no need to provide for their own defense. And then stoop to childish ridicule of those who accept this responsibility.

It seems (speaking in generalities) that this is the same ilk who are happy to have a nanny state address all of their other needs as well.

Mother used to wipe my a$$ after i took a dump, but she refuses to do it anymore, saying 50 years is long enough and that I should grow up. Unfortunately now I get that foul smelling brown stuff on my fingers when I wipe. Oh I long for the Good Ole days...

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by stevepaa
If you feel like you need to have a handgun with you, go ahead, just don't try to make us think it is a responsiblity, a must do to be a brave man. BS

Steve, I would never try to explain the concept of personal responsibility to a liberal. You guys deny any such burdens exist.

I do see you are a bit confused with the details, however. Carrying a gun is not the responsibility; defending one's self and loved ones is. A handgun is merely a tool with which to meet that moral obligation. If you choose another means, then that is all well and good. If you choose no means, that is fine, too. For you. Not me; my objection starts when your liberal bedfellows want to foist their decisions regarding self defense (or the lack thereof) off on me. You make your choices; I'll make mine. Liberals, unfortunately, don't seem to be all that comfortable with that prospect. They want to make mine, too.

If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

Once again, the need is not for the handgun, but for self defense. An important difference apparently lost on you (atcually, most liberals for that matter), for whatever reason. This is a need that requires no rationalization of any kind, to a rational mind. It's only the decidedly irrational that seem to shirk their responsibility to provide for their defense. It is quite irrational to believe that the good guys in the white hats will ride in just when you need them. It is quite irrational to count on going through your whole life without ever being faced with a violent attack. Most of us do, but some don't. Bet your life, or the life of a loved one on that? Quite irrational.

A handgun is merely the most convenient way, and in most jurisdictions that "allow" their citizens to be armed, the only legal way to be armed. You guys focus too much on the tool, and not at all on the concept. The concept is to provide for your own defense; no one else will. A handgun is simply one way to do that.

[thrown_hammer]

Originally posted by tabs

Do U carry while you go out and pick up the newspaper in your driveway in the mornining?

You are asking Charles if he carries when he goes out to get the paper? That's a rhetorical question right?

[charleskieffner]

hey tabs you mental twit. i knew mickey thompson from the mint 400's in vegas. mickey knew he was gonna be hit. but due to senseless archaic kalif. laws he or trudy couldnt carry.

as far as in the morning going out the door...............you bet your A$$ i am carrying. everyday/everynight............anywhere/anyplace.

my great state as well as others believe in a person being able to defend themselves any place anywhere anytime.

as i said .........the states that allow CCW permits allow their citizens to protect themselves.

other states that disallow CCW permits, really dont give a fuch about their citizens. evidenced by the legal fact you cannot sue the city state county cops for NOT PROTECTING YOU!

i and others can/will protect themselves. i live smack dab in one of the wealthiest zip codes in this state. because i'm rich? hell no! i moved here 25 years ago when their was nothing but rattlesnakes. encroachment has followed in a big way and along come violent illegal aliens w/guns dealing heroin/meth! now you think for one iota of a second i'm gonna put up with that crap in a state i'm a native of???? your nuts to live where YOU CANT PROTECT YOURSELF OR LOVED ONES!

and yes i do sleep w/a pistol on my night stand and have (2) very alert hunting dogs with radar! now the bad guys get to pick what kind of mood im in each day and night.

a 9mm mood/a .45 mood/ a.44 mood. the other (4) days can be switched around to what mfg. mood im in. an HK mood, a S&W mood, a beretta mood, springfield mood, colt mood und so weiter! and we're just talking pistoles! get me going on long guns!

you clowns that allow these continued archaic gun laws to pass cant even protect your lil foo foo dog in heat let alone a family member or yourself.

now if i was a bad guy in the republik of kalif. i'd be smart enough not to attack some one at home as you can have one at home. i wouldnt attack someone going to the gun range. and i wouldnt attack someone going to and from a gunstore. those are the ONLY times you can carry a weapon with you. or at your place of biz.

anywhere else you would be FAIR GAME!

as far as the newspaper...........i live in a rural area w/no delivery.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by thrown_hammer
I have a CCW and carry. Sometimes I just like to trick Pat into thinking I am immoral. Come to think of it, fires are always trying to burn me. What a conundrum!

EDIT: Great now I am immoral and a ninnie! I am getting t-shirts made.

I've already have a virtual T-shirt "Thrown Hammer = Virtual ninny".

[stevepaa]

Steve, I would never try to explain the concept of personal responsibility to a liberal. You guys deny any such burdens exist.

nonsense

It is quite irrational to count on going through your whole life without ever being faced with a violent attack. Most of us do, but some don't. Bet your life, or the life of a loved one on that? Quite irrational.

actually most everyone I know has never had any such encounter, maybe if I knew of an occurence I might think differently, but I don't.

And again, if you feel the need for it, fine, just understand most don't. And that is where you won't leave it alone but need to call us cowards and irresponsible since we don't see it like you do.

That is rationalization: to create an excuse or more attractive explanation for

[fastpat]

Originally posted by stevepaa
If you feel like you need to have a handgun with you, go ahead, just don't try to make us think it is a responsiblity, a must do to be a brave man. BS

It's precisely that, and much more. As elegantly stated in Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards - Essays on the Ethics of Gun Control, anyone who depends on others, or would have others do what he himself is unwilling to do, is immoral and a coward.

If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

Again, it's immoral to ridicule others who take their responsibilites seriously, while you do not.

[charleskieffner]

99% of you guys living in states w/out CCW laws would be stepping on one another to buy a gun, if that state DID ALLOW CCW CARRY!

95% would be for the "MUY MACHO" reason and the other 4% would be for valid protection.

like fast pat said its like a fire extinguisher. or maybe your tool set or your wallet. you may not use it today, but monyana may be different!

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by charleskieffner
stevepaa all the money in the world will not allow you a CCW in the republik of kalif. no matter how rich you may be, you cant legally carry concealed.

http://www.packing.org/state/california/

you really have no clue about CCW in California , do you

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by charleskieffner


95% would be for the "MUY MACHO" reason and the other 4% would be for valid protection.

hit the nail on the head there

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by fastpat
[B]It's precisely that, and much more. As elegantly stated in Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards - Essays on the Ethics of Gun Control, anyone who depends on others, or would have others do what he himself is unwilling to do, is immoral and a coward.
Again, it's immoral to ridicule others who take their responsibilites seriously, while you do not.

ah so someone wrote it in a book and it must be true? and it fits nicely into your own frame of mind?

yessiree, must be an ultimate truth.