Mulholland run this Sunday afternoon

[DARISC]

Hey Chris,

Not to stir the already already vitriolically boiling pot, but why not accept that some "get" the Mulholland legend and some don't?

You're obviously an old veteran of that fabled stretch of road and I understand your having an emotional attachment to it and a well deserved feeling of pride in being part of its history: Mulholland Drive is a precious bit of Americana and always will be (no matter how crappy its paving may have been allowed to become over the years).

But, in and of itself, it's just an inanimate band of twisty pavement without a spirit or a soul to anyone not cognizant of the way it has liberated and set afire the spirits of all the living souls who have driven it as the road so magically entices one to do.

That said, the legend of Mulholland lives on, not in cracking concrete or crumbling asphalt, but in the spirits and souls of all those such as yourself: you guys created the legend!

The road's been defiled over the years by poor maintenance, population growth, lights, stopsigns and proliferating driveways, but the "legend" can really only be defiled by those who built it, and you're one of those guys!

I personally don't think you ought to do that - it detracts from the magic. Let those who don't "get" it, not "get it". It's their loss. They have the ultimate right of refusal. Better to be, methinks, sitting benignly atop your legendary perch, smiling beatifically down at those that you know are not enlightened regarding Mulholland Drive.

Given that, Thinkfloyd14 ought not need to give up his freedom of speech by retracting his "uninformed" opinion as you ask him to do. I don't believe he was attacking anyone, just chiming in. He's obviously a true enthusiast in his own right, however unenlightened, in your eyes (and probably many other's as well) regarding Mulholland.

So, smile down beatifically, you're one of the lucky few who've been to where none can ever go again!

Wish that ole airbag were'nt in that Silica with me all those yars ago - would be great ta have been maybe able ta climb up on that perch myself!

Regards,

David

[lfot]

Originally posted by v8_ranch
Derek,

I agree that everyone should take a breather. I certainly meant no direspect to anyone posting, but simply wanted to chime in on what I thought was a little on the "bashy" side with respect to banning's replies to thinkfloyd. For what it's worth, I grew up in SoCal and am aware of the history of Mulholland, certainly not nearly as much as someone like banning who apparently lives right there. I simply wanted to chime in because I have a close friend whose life was nearly taken from a couple of idiots street racing. It left him in very critical condition for a long time and he will never be 100% again. They slammed into the back of his car at about 60mph (estimated from the skidmarks and damage) while he was at a standstill for a redlight. They did not see him because it was a redlight that was after a slight curve in the road. My friend never knew what hit him... You guys are there and hey, do whatever you want to do, but, sometimes we are not in as much control as we think we are, and you never know what the others around you are going to do. Not chastising, judging, or bashing you guys, but just trying to give everyone else something to think about.

Now then, on a lighter note: Derek, how was the new muffler on the drive?

Shane, couldn't agree more! What porcupine911 (Chis) says about sums it up for us.

As for the muffler... WOW! I know that there has been many debate on this forum as to the bang for the buck (or lack there of) in changing out the muffler.

Things I've noticed:

1. The sound, man... the sound! This muffler is so nicely tuned and the spitting and cussing it does when you let off the throttle is quite inspiring.

2. For a while I was getting a lot of backfires on cold start. Changed the muffler and it's GONE! The car breathes sooo much better.

3. Radu can confirm an increase in power. I was pulling away from him in straights much quicker than before. Leaving him in the dust so to speak. (of course, for those who know Radu, as soon as you hit some corners, he's about 2 inches off your rear bumper). As well, throttle response is a little better, and the low end tourqe seems to be more responsive before the 3K hump.

4. The weight savings! The M&K weighs almost nothing. When we got the OEM muffler off, I was shocked by how heavy it is.

Anyway... back on topic.

[Banning]

Originally posted by DARISC
Hey Chris,

Not to stir the already already vitriolically boiling pot, but why not accept that some "get" the Mulholland legend and some don't?

You're obviously an old veteran of that fabled stretch of road and I understand your having an emotional attachment to it and a well deserved feeling of pride in being part of its history: Mulholland Drive is a precious bit of Americana and always will be (no matter how crappy its paving may have been allowed to become over the years).

But, in and of itself, it's just an inanimate band of twisty pavement without a spirit or a soul to anyone not cognizant of the way it has liberated and set afire the spirits of all the living souls who have driven it as the road so magically entices one to do.

That said, the legend of Mulholland lives on, not in cracking concrete or crumbling asphalt, but in the spirits and souls of all those such as yourself: you guys created the legend!

The road's been defiled over the years by poor maintenance, population growth, lights, stopsigns and proliferating driveways, but the "legend" can really only be defiled by those who built it, and you're one of those guys!

I personally don't think you ought to do that - it detracts from the magic. Let those who don't "get" it, not "get it". It's their loss. They have the ultimate right of refusal. Better to be, methinks, sitting benignly atop your legendary perch, smiling beatifically down at those that you know are not enlightened regarding Mulholland Drive.

Given that, Thinkfloyd14 ought not need to give up his freedom of speech by retracting his "uninformed" opinion as you ask him to do. I don't believe he was attacking anyone, just chiming in. He's obviously a true enthusiast in his own right, however unenlightened, in your eyes (and probably many other's as well) regarding Mulholland.

So, smile down beatifically, you're one of the lucky few who've been to where none can ever go again!

Wish that ole airbag were'nt in that Silica with me all those yars ago - would be great ta have been maybe able ta climb up on that perch myself!

Regards,

David

Thanks Dave,
I very much appreciate your words.
Sometimes it's good to hear other points of view from people you don't even know. Like right now.
Your words give me new perspective, you are a gentleman.

[nameisbauer]

Derek, congrats on the M&K. I love mine also.

Sorry I missed you guys again but...
\http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/347152-randomly-dead-81-sc.html#post3278877

anyone who wants to come by and help....

This is getting out of control. Name calling and everything else. Whens the next run. Time and place. I'm there

Radu, Ifot, Slodave, Banning...
I would love to meet you guys on another sunday. It was fun. Very relaxing sunday afternoon.

thinkfloyd14, porcupine 911, and anyone else,
I would love to run with you guys on some of the other canyons like Piuma or Decker.

Piuma/Decker and Mullholand both have there appeal. Mullholand is more chill where the other canyon's are more driver oriented.

[SCWDP911]

OK, last post for me on the topic of racing... really racing is racing, whether your against a driver or against the clock. I didn't mean to imply you guys were necessarily unsafe, but a lot of guys are. I have never seen you guys drive (other than the video), and it is certainly not my point or place to judge. You all seem like decent guys to me. Wish I could take a trip out there to take part of that historic place once. Nuff said on that subject...

Derek, you have me sorry about selling the muffler now. I live in a quiet neighborhood, and honestly, even my wife was complaining. I caved... I am glad someone is enjoying it! When I drove up to the Tennessee Tubs event in Nashville this weekend, I was sorely missing it (always have liked to draw attention...).

Anyway, hope I can get an invite from you guys if I am ever able to be in the area again. My wife and I left San Clemente in 93 and only come back for visits to family now.

Keep the rubber side down boys...

[lfot]

Originally posted by v8_ranch
Anyway, hope I can get an invite from you guys if I am ever able to be in the area again. My wife and I left San Clemente in 93 and only come back for visits to family now.

Just let us know when you're out this way.

[KevinP73]

I've missed the last couple runs and am starting to suffer from withdrawl pains. I've been trying to get the brake upgrade completed on the corvair but it's taking much longer than expected. Also the 3.2 litre motor is nearing completion and I'll have Scrufus down a while for that transplant. Maybe it would be best to do both at the same time. Carol has been asking when we are going out next so there is a little more incentive to get out this Sunday.
Hopefully attendence will be good as I'd like to see a couple of you guys again and up on the hill would be the perfect setting for it.

[porcupine911]

joseph (joe?) - i think next sunday will be a "car" day for me. the tentative plan (yes, i'm looking forward to the weekend already!) is to have some fun in the santa monica mountains in my cayman in the morning, drop by "supercar sunday" to see some outrageous machinery, drive some more, then meet my wife (who will bring the 911) and the guys at starbucks for the mulholland cruise.

[slodave]

Don't bother waiting for me. I won't be showing up anymore. I've had fun. Take care, be safe.

Dave

[KevinP73]

Originally posted by slodave
Don't bother waiting for me. I won't be showing up anymore. I've had fun. Take care, be safe.

Dave

WOW thats unexpected!! Was it something we said?

Originally posted by slodave
Don't bother waiting for me. I won't be showing up anymore. I've had fun. Take care, be safe.

Dave

???

[oceanvue]

Chris what happened with you and your bride at autoX in Irvine on Sunday. And Dave, you're a fixture you've gotta show.

[porcupine911]

Originally posted by oceanvue
Chris what happened with you and your bride at autoX in Irvine on Sunday...

i'm going to try to convince her to do an SCCA practice event this saturday.

Originally posted by porcupine911
joseph (joe?) - i think next sunday will be a "car" day for me. the tentative plan (yes, i'm looking forward to the weekend already!) is to have some fun in the santa monica mountains in my cayman in the morning, drop by "supercar sunday" to see some outrageous machinery, drive some more, then meet my wife (who will bring the 911) and the guys at starbucks for the mulholland cruise.

Don't know about this weekend. We have my fiances daughter with us this weekend. Although I would love to take her, she is only 5. Mom might get mad if I go over a cliff with her daughter Your plan for a full day of fun sounds great though.

[Zeke]

Originally posted by slodave
Don't bother waiting for me. I won't be showing up anymore. I've had fun. Take care, be safe.

Dave

I think I understand. PM coming soon.

[thinkfloyd14]

Originally posted by joseph herreros
This is getting out of control. Name calling and everything else. Whens the next run. Time and place. I'm there

Radu, Ifot, Slodave, Banning...
I would love to meet you guys on another sunday. It was fun. Very relaxing sunday afternoon.

thinkfloyd14, porcupine 911, and anyone else,
I would love to run with you guys on some of the other canyons like Piuma or Decker.

Piuma/Decker and Mullholand both have there appeal. Mullholand is more chill where the other canyon's are more driver oriented.

ya we'll have to do decker sometime or piuma/tuna? Tuna rapes your brakes though, still fun.

[thinkfloyd14]

This is completely non mulholland related, but have any of you guys tried Glendora Mountain road/Glendora ridge road/ Mt Baldy. Thats a heck of a run, some of the most fun I've ever had driving--its like your in the middle of freakin no where with the craziest roads you'll ever come across. I think I may have to start a new thread when my car has its new motor.

[mkaraoglan]

nm

[porcupine911]

marc - sounds good.
i forgot to squeeze the monaco gp in there somewhere. maybe i'll watch it live (5am - doh!) for once.