Stop smoking question.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by NICKG
You see where I am going right? How can you just "decide" what is good for someone else? who are you to "protect" anyone? didn't she make the choice to smoke?
If you say that abortion is immoral and should be illegal (and you did clearly) because of the deaths of people, should we just ban tobacco too? it is arguably responsible for way more deaths.
Why stop there, we should ban
cars...people die in crashes
salt, it gives you high blood pressure
flying, can't crash if you can't fly
guns, cause we all know that "the gun did it"
meat, kills animals
Applying your intentions have broader implications than you might think. how about banning something tyou enjoy? because I don't like it. get the point?
You are big on personal responsibility right? be responsible, raise your kids to be good people, and they will do the same.
You have the right to tell them (your kids) what to do, but not me...or any other adult.
People make lots of mistakes, sometimes mistakes are big, often life changing, but you have no right to make anyone do anything
That is how wars happen...

Son,

Have you ever thought about De-Caff coffee?

Someone is wrapped way too tight here....

[gprsh924]

so nick by that argument, should we go back and legalize crack and heroin and ecstasy?

[NICKG]

I know, I just hate when people think they are doing stuff to "protect" me from myself.
I am must also be channeling PastPat

...sorry rant off


BTW, I like that immediate name calling Turbo... it's classy

Joe you going to the GP this week?

[NICKG]

Originally posted by gprsh924
so nick by that argument, should we go back and legalize crack and heroin and ecstasy?

sure, why not, the Dutch seem to be able to survive with it legal and then the jails would not be overflowing. the addicts will die, others will be scared from using it. the novelty wears off, we can tax the crap out of it for schools and education. Win win situation, we save tens of millions on the war on drugs, AND we get more tax revenue in the legalized sale. End of problem

perhaps we can make them view a crack head OD, before they can buy....

[notfarnow]

[/hijack]

Not a fun situation. My mother started smoking again AFTER recovering from lymphoma. I was livid; so were my brothers... but ultimately SHE had to decide to quit. Eventually she did, she chose a date, marked her calendar and stopped that morning. We all supported her any way we could, going for walks with her, calling her etc... It'll be2 years next month.

My personal experience with quitting: tried 3-4 times and really struggled with it. In the end, I substituted saled, undyed pistachios for smokes.

I still get cravings for pistachios...I must be pretty simple minded if I can trick MYSELF that easily.

[K. Roman]

Yes! Legalize it!

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by NICKG
Joe you going to the GP this week?

Still waiting on the call. Right now not sure, have one possible flight to Russia and another to the PacRim, so on hold for both of them.

We all know which one I want to jell...

[NICKG]

i am hoping to get to indy or Montreal...

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally posted by NICKG
You see where I am going right? How can you just "decide" what is good for someone else? who are you to "protect" anyone? didn't she make the choice to smoke?
If you say that abortion is immoral and should be illegal (and you did clearly) because of the deaths of people, should we just ban tobacco too? it is arguably responsible for way more deaths.
Why stop there, we should ban
cars...people die in crashes
salt, it gives you high blood pressure
flying, can't crash if you can't fly
guns, cause we all know that "the gun did it"
meat, kills animals
Applying your intentions have broader implications than you might think. how about banning something tyou enjoy? because I don't like it. get the point?
You are big on personal responsibility right? be responsible, raise your kids to be good people, and they will do the same.
You have the right to tell them (your kids) what to do, but not me...or any other adult.
People make lots of mistakes, sometimes mistakes are big, often life changing, but you have no right to make anyone do anything
That is how wars happen...

I don't post here often but this had to be said.

Turbo was asking advise on how he could help his fiend to assist his wife to stop smoking.
She apparently has heart disease and smoking adds risk.
As I read it, Turbo is not contemplating any action other than advise. Your tirade about personal freedom shows you fail to grasp the purpose of the thread. Advise is not force. He was asked his opinion and lacking good advise sought advise elsewhere and for that you pound on him.
That's retarded. Time for you to get back to making balloon animals with the other clowns.
Enough said.

[GothingNC]

I quit smoking cold turkey back in 1999 after 12 years of a pack-a-day habit.

Motivation was s free lunch and adding up how much I was paying the support the concer suppliers.

My younger brother quit 3 years ago and now puts the money he would have spent on cigarettes into a jar and takes a trip to Vegas each year with his wife instead. He goes more for the shows and breaks even while gambling.

[Turbo_pro]

I never came up with a way to help my friend and on mothers day of this year the dilemma was resolved.
The beautiful young woman never quit smoking and as a result died in her sleep from heart failure.
What a waist......
Sometimes you wish there was something more you could do.....

[Danimal16]

Sorry for your loss Turbo.

[Superman]

Lots of smokers dismiss the notion of quitting because they believe they can't. Chantix works wonders. It attaches to the same receptors, making you feel like you just had a smoke. It also blocks those receptors so that when you do smoke, nothing happens.

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally Posted by Superman

Lots of smokers dismiss the notion of quitting because they believe they can't. Chantix works wonders. It attaches to the same receptors, making you feel like you just had a smoke. It also blocks those receptors so that when you do smoke, nothing happens.

Also has some horrendous side effects. If you can get past the dreams, depression and thoughts of suicide!!!!! I quit a 2 pack a day habit 2 years ago. It is the second time I have quit and I still have thoughts of smoking. Like everyone else has already stated, unless the person WANTS to quit, you will be very unsuccessful.

There were times I was 'trying' because my wife was on my ass, only to spend a ton time outside and taking every errand that came available to go smoke one. I use to go through a ton of mouthwash. She always knew

In the end all it took was my 7yo daughter crying in my arms saying she didn't want her daddy to die. I was done.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Turbo_pro

I never came up with a way to help my friend and on mothers day of this year the dilemma was resolved.
The beautiful young woman never quit smoking and as a result died in her sleep from heart failure.
What a waist......
Sometimes you wish there was something more you could do.....

This happened to my Ex at pretty much the same age. Happened last year.

Very sorry to hear this.

FWIW, my dad quit at 44, a heavy smoker. He is 88.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Turbo_pro

The therapist said basically the same thing, she won't quit until she's ready but you can set terms that may make her uncomfortable about her decision to smoke..
Things like refusing to be near her when she smokes.

We set up a separate room for my wife to smoke in. It wasn't good enough for her. She said it wasn't really her house if she couldn't smoke anywhere she wanted. In the end her smoking was a big factor in ending the marriage. You can't quit unless you want to and she didn't want to.

I remember the moment my wife stood on our deck, cigarette in hand, and told be she was pregnant.
I remember when she was seriously ill and the doc asked her how much she smoked. "A lot and I'm not quitting, so forget it."
It's such a shame.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

In the end her smoking was a big factor in ending the marriage. You can't quit unless you want to and she didn't want to.

I remember the moment my wife stood on our deck, cigarette in hand, and told be she was pregnant.

Boy, this brings back a lot of memories. Same situation with my ex-wife in Germany. Absolutely refused to stop smoking after promising me at our wedding that she would stop. I lost my Mother to smoking so its an issue with me.

Years later we kept trying to have a child and she had several mis-carriages... then she started going out with someone else while I was working in Saudi. Same thing happened. Finally she stopped smoking (was a chain smoker) and carried the child to term.

Guess what? Once the kid popped out she resumed smoking again. Its an addiction and she is an addict. Oh by the way she does heart transplant's for a living and know's very well what this does to a persons body. Its someone else's problem now.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Flatbutt1

We have found that very little can be accomplished until the addicted person wants to be cured. If they don't want to stop smoking they won't.

This. I tried to quit a number of times, fortunately, the last time I tried it took. Still, the urges to start back up were present for about two years. It's a hell of an addiction. You really need to want to quit. I hope she succeeds!

[peppy]

Originally Posted by Superman

Lots of smokers dismiss the notion of quitting because they believe they can't. Chantix works wonders. It attaches to the same receptors, making you feel like you just had a smoke. It also blocks those receptors so that when you do smoke, nothing happens.

Chantix helped me quit and I didn't want to...will be 3 years in November.

Sorry to hear about your friends wife Turbo.

[Pazuzu]

Both Sue and I quit on March 22nd of this year. After years and years of saying we should quit, after years and years of being disgusted by it, and after years and years of wanting to quit, we finally stepped over that edge of WANTING to into HAVING to. We started working out, and I knew that I would never advance at all if I kept smoking, so I quit.

It was surprising how easy it was when I finally quit for myself. I had quit for a year many years ago, and it took all levels of outside help and sneaking puffs here and there to making it through one year.

This time? Well, I'm more than 2 months in and haven't really even had a craving once. I do still reach for the pack in my pocket t-shirts, and I do still get up from my desk every morning around 10 am to go smoke until I realize that I don't do that anymore...