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			I went to the range a week ago with my friend.  I've finally (mostly) mastered my Ruger P95.  I was shooting 3" groups at 15 feet (as opposed to 15" groups at 15 feet when I first started with that gun). I took a turn with his Glock chambered in 40SW. At 15 feet I shot a 1" group. In fact, all of my shots overlapped each other right on the center, it was just like some of the groupings that Rick Lee has posted. I need to find out what model that is. It has a safety lever on the trigger and the barrel is vented out the top of the gun to compensate for recoil. It was very comfortable and intuitive for me to shoot. I do have a birthday coming up... 
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			Find a nice used one, they are not all that hard to find in NIB condition.
		 
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			See here  http://glockfaq.com/models.htm Glocks are great. For range shooting, you might consider that 9mm is cheaper than 40SW, slightly less recoil too. You might also consider a full size versus a compact (e.g. G17 in 9mm vs G19 in 9mm, or G22 vs G23). Or even a longslide (called "competition" in the chart at the above link). If you spend some time here http://glocktalk.com/ and check out the gun-specific subforums (scroll down to "gun-related club forums") you're going to get one . . . Any Glock benefits from the so-called 25-cent trigger job - do a search on GlockTalk. Takes about 1 hour with some polishing compound (what you use on polished Fuchs is fine) and smooths the trigger nicely. My G19 is 21 years old, I've been shooting it since new. Until about 2 years ago, I don't think it had even one stoppage, except for some squib (bad) ammo. When it finally starting having some very occasional problems, I replaced the recoil and magazine spring, and threw in a steel recoil spring guide rod just for fun. I expect another 20 years of utter reliability. Which brings up, Glocks are easy to tinker with and parts are cheap with more DIY customization options than any other pistol, except maybe a Ruger .22. Hop up your Glock here http://www.customglock.com/ Get one, you won't regret it. Plus you'll notice more money left in your wallet, versus some other makes. (I know someone is going to recommend a SIG next.) 
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			get a Sig (didn't want to dissapoint you John) Glocks are cool and very tough. I shot the Sig better...fit my hand right. Everyone's mileage may vary. | ||
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			I feel the same way about my Sig 226R (.40). Relax after a clip or two and start chipping paper away from the growing hole in the middle of the target. I don't own one, but Kimber .45s are the same way. absurdly accurate and comfortable out of the box. Not a big fan of poly frame guns. Glock or any other brand. They feel to squirrely to me. They don't settle after each round. Just bought a S&W 442 airweight .38. Shot it for the first time tonight. I can't hit the god damn broad side of a barn with the thing. With a 2" barrel, I guess thats not really the point of the gun, but still..... 
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			I have been of the mind lately to get a High capacity 9mm, because of the cheapness of Ammo. I am thinking seriously of an HK USP 9MM. My friend and neighbor has one, and maybe next time we go shooting he will let me shoot it.
		 
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			Oh, don't forget the new Smith & Wesson M&P, available in 9mm, 40SW, and now 45ACP.  I tried a 40SW at the local range, I did terribly but it did hold very nicely with a nicer trigger than the stock Glock.  American-made too.
		 
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			I really like my G35. Extended barrel, larger mag release.... The full frame Glocks fit my hand very well, check them out if you have large hands. However, 9mm is cheaper to shoot than .40. Hence I'm thinking about a G17 to lower my operating costs.   | ||
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			I would like to pickup another sig, probably a 357sig/40sw model and buy extra barrels for it which are extended and compensated. I don't like the P239, since it's single stack. Which model is the 40S&W double stack? the 226?
		 
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			p226 and p229 are both double stack. 229 is slightly smaller.
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 I have a p226 (double stack) and a p225 (no longer made, single stack 9mm). Different feels, but both shoot well in my hands. The p225 is slimmer and I got it for the significant other to use...but find that a single stack actually feels better sometimes. One reason I wanted to pick up a p220 (single stack .45ACP). The did make some 9mm p220s, and that's what I'd really like to find. Yes dad, I know the p210 is the "real" Sig, but I don't have a spare $3K to spend on a gun. That money is earmarked for the track car (ahh, porkbarrel spending...) | ||
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 Side note: Don't bother looking at Springfields Variant, the XD40. My Bro bought one, and it is a pos IMO. Groups OK, but after a few rounds I was too scared to shoot it cuz I thought the slide was going to fly off and hit my face.     | ||
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			The Glock is very nice, especially for someone who is beginning.   The rake of the gun takes getting used to, especially if you are accustomed to shooting a 1911 or Browning HP.
		 
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			Damn ! This is the best group I'm getting these days. 100 or so in 18" at 50 feet.   
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			the compensated models look cool, IMHO I'm not seeing much reduction in actual recoil - I had a USP compact that was compensated and it didn't change a damn thing...  Another problem is that those ports create one hell of a flash at nighttime - if you're using it for home defense it may not be such a good thing to have - you'll blind yourself. Lastly, look up "glock kaboom" on google - there's a few 1st hand reports showing some strange stuff. With all that said, I have a G27 with A+G extensions to run hi cap G23 clips, and glockmeister magsprings. Runs like a bastard that gun   Lastly, if you're budget is in that range, try a Ruger P345 - that's a nice, nice shooter. Polymer and has actual safeties on it. .45 however... rjp 
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