Yes but they never intended it to exclude Christianity if anything they wanted to protect it. They never envisioned Liberal democrats using it to promote Islam in our public schools while expelling children who say Christan prayers in class.

I celebrate SOL INVICTUS the ORIGINAL 12-25 HOLIDAY
BTW JC WAS BORN IN THE SPRING [LAMBING TIME]
THE EARLY CHURCH STOLE THE 12-25 DAY
AND THE SPRING FESTIVAL OF ESTER TOOO
thats the root of the bunny's & chic's ,eggs and candy all part of the festival of ESTER, NOT EASTER

BUT i TRULY BELIEVE IN SEX AND DRUGS AND ROCK&ROLL
THE ONE TRUE FAITH BUT I AM persecuted AS ARE MY FELLOW BELIEVERS BY CHRISTIANS FOR MY BELIEFS
FAR FAR MORE THEN THEY EVER WERE
WHEN WILL MY BELIEF BE RESPECTED???????????

you forgot to mention that we're godless commies, love to kill unborn children, and rape little boys.

oh wait, that last one is already taken by the clergy. My bad...

JIM MORRISSON DIED FOR MY SINS
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN I THINK HE WAS A GOD

BTW I DONOT HATE JC OR HIS IDEAS
NOW SAUL/PAUL WHO EDITED THEM
I HAVE NO LOVE FOR
AND THUMPER NEO-CONNED FOOLS I DO HATED

BTW2
OTHER THEN THE NAME OF "GOD" BIT
JUST HOW IS YOUR "GOD'S" PROGRAM
ANY DIFFERENT THEN THE TALI-BAN'S

"that last one is already taken by the clergy. My bad..."

You've got to be the most tasteless piece of crap.

YES they did, precisely and in clear language, intend to exclude Christianity and ANY other religion from "State" affairs -> which includes public schools!

From Jefferson's writings (I have only studied him the most) he clearly intended for government, despite it's founding on Judeo-Christian beliefs, to allow the free practice of any religion in America and that no person would be judged, or that person's position in society be diminished, by the government for such beliefs. BUT, that church and state remain separate. This we can be certain, IMO.

I would have to agree with you on the mess in schools these days. There are many unfortunate things happening, IMO, regarding this newfound favoritism of Islam in schools. This is exactly the problem folks like Jefferson were worried about.

In this case, these same folks who quote Jefferson as wanting to keep church and state separate are teaching Islam in school. Neither Islam, nor Christianity nor any other religions belong in public schools. That's what the founding fathers were afraid of and tried to protect against.

Nothing wrong with folks paying to take religious classes in college or going to religious private schools.

In this regard, we can agree. I think the biggest problem in public schools is the NEA, but that's another thread.

Best,

Kurt

THAT SIR IS A LIE

MOST OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE DEIST
NOT CHRISTIAN
GW, BF, TJ, AND MANY OTHERS


BTW
Puritans WERE A SICKO CULT
WHO DIDNOT SURVIVE IN ANY NUMBERS
TRY AND FIND A Puritan CHURCH TODAY
AND WERE NOT THE FOUNDERS OF THIS GREAT NATION
JUST AN EARLY CULT OF WITCH HUNTING FOOLS

I didn't post pictures of my g/f (now fiancee) asking, "is this a 10?"

Mine was a bad joke and everybody knows it. Yours was serious.

So which is really tasteless? Or better yet, which one is more pathetic?

But I'm done with this. You're either a great troll or one of the most clueless individuals I've ever come across. And that's saying something...after all, I work in academia.

Might I assume you have never met snowman?

Happy 231st!

Best,

Kurt

The only prayer I believe in is, "Dear God, please protect me from your followers".

This place reaffirms everything about why I can't stand religion and overly-religious types. And why I could care less about the nature of whatever higher power there might or might not be. It doesn't affect me or my life, so I really don't give a crap.

"You're either a great troll or one of the most clueless individuals I've ever come across. And that's saying something...after all, I work in academia."

Coming from you Ill take that as a compliment.

To all: Enjoy your evening, best wishes and Happy Fourth!

I'm done feeding the slugs. :)

Kurt

Now you're just talkin out your a$$. Just how were you able to make that ridiculous assumption?

There you go assuming that Christianity has the patent on morality.

Most of those core values existed long before Christianity was invented.

Now there was a nice, wholesome Christian girl . . .

Cool! So is my eldest daughter. Then again I was open minded enough to allow both of my girls to explore spirituality in their own way. Who am I to make that decision for them? Let me guess Peoni...You were raised in a Christian family. Guess you're just lucky.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Man! think how close you were to being Islamic or.....Sikh.;)

I have found God...but I soon lost him.

these religious threads crack me up...

Yeah...they crack me up too....

EXCEPT I AM SO GODDAMN SICK OF COLLECTIVE INTOLERANCE - NO WONDER THE WORLD IS SO F..CKED UP!!!

Yes I AM yelling!!!

Look, all of you - for God's sake (yes I believe)...what happened to live and let live???

Between this and the "is there a God" thread I now have full and utter understanding as to why the world can and never will be a peaceful place (I knew that already - didn't need the confirmation but thanks anyway).

It's about time we ALL accept we do not believe the same things, or have the same faith.

I frankly do not care whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, agnostic or atheist...whether you worship a rock or a cow...or indeed a God. If you have morals and kindness then you are welcome in my home. If you try to ram your ideas down my throat or any one else in my home then I'll throw you out.

I have many friends whose beliefs differ from mine. They are no "less" in my eyes. I can debate the opposite view politically with many friends too - they are entitled to their views just as I am to mine. I RESPECT them...I just don't agree with them that's all. But as we (almost) always have very civil debates (depends on the booze consumed of course) I always learn something new.

Of course, I can decide not to read these threads can't I...ignorance is bliss, right? However, when the debate is good I quite enjoy reading the differing views and opinions. Again, I don't need to agree...

Tony - you need to open your eyes some. I'm sorry, but your attitude here needs some moderating. Your Christian belief should teach you that tolerance is tantamount. Does "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" not mean anything anymore?