I stand corrected, thank you. And note you're a Carolina boy too. We used to see them in Hickory, in a place called The Point After. Lots of beer and fights. And fun.

I'm all for people being allowed to do as they wish in their own home, but being a parent of three kids 20, 14 and 9 it is a bit scary to see. I did my fair share of weed growing up but had friends really go of the deep end into the drug world, never went beyond weed though, I never liked who my friends become when they were on other drugs.
I suppose if you are able to keep it under control then it is no different then when i have too many beers and become a bit loud and stupid. The scary part is when it takes over your life, and if you have an addictive personality just one try and you are done. That is what scares me with my kids, i teach them right and hope they will always make the right choice but all it takes is one try and it could get them hooked for the rest of their life.
Being a firefighter/paramedic i also see the flip side of this when it goes bad, and it goes bad for people a lot. The youth, as i'm sure i did, have the feeling that nothing can happen to them, but it can and does.
So as a parent i will have to say this stuff is bad news and we will have something to talk about at dinner tonight for sure.

Never had the pleasure of seeing them live (I think you're a few years older than I), but I grew up with their music (along w/ Allmans w/ Duane, etc.). Sorry to burst some "uptight righties" perspectives, but I know of VERY few who didn't "experiment" back then...solid, successful, upstanding citizens in spite of it (OR because of it) :).

I've never done the Salvia thing and the only reason I've been watching the Salvia vids on YouTube is because I just heard about this drug - some girls at work were talking about it.

It's pretty shocking and looks to me like a short heroine trip (which I have no experience with).

One common element that I've noticed in most of the videos is peoples houses - they all look like druggie's hoods. Maybe there's something to that.

In any case, I have smoked weed on ocaison but that's good enough for me. I just don't have the time for the others.

Funny- my dad loves that joke.

Just by looking at those stupids makes me feel smart!

Seriously.. Pretty sad to see guys getting stupider just for fun...


At the end of the day the ones who didn't use drugs are the ones laughing..

glewis80SC I certainly see where you're coming from and applaud the approach you take with your kids. It's an approach my parents never took with me (they believed, back then, that Reefer Madness was a true documentary). I too have seen the bad effects of drug use- they are anything but pretty. I'm certainly not advocating that everyone try what I did; "The needle and the damage done" is not just a pretty song it's pretty accurate.

But the conservatives (of which I am one on a great many issues) should be smart enough to realize that the war on drugs was lost before it began. IMO if the government took the approach you're taking with your kids there would be a lot less carnage, wrecked homes, ruined lives and needless deaths. Instead we just breed criminals and grow cartels- and the deaths and ruined lives continue.

And for the record you pollyannas- I used plenty of drugs as did my friends. We're now the doctors, lawyers, pilots and business owners etc. you see every day. The vast majority have very successful lives and laugh every day. Some of us (oh lordy lordy) still partake. I probably would too (at least occasionally) but I've got a clearance I want to keep.

I think I'm going to listen to Live at Fillmore East tonight. With a little alcohol- one of the deadliest drugs I know of.

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u...ll/allmans.jpg

Excellent live album...

"Ain’t but one way out baby, Lord I just can’t go out the door..."


Ahhh, the good ol' daze...

FWIW (from their website):

When MTB first got together in their native Spartanburg back in 1972 they were rehearsing in an old warehouse. They had yet to decide on a name and were discussing what they should call themselves one evening. Someone looked at the tag on the key and it said "Marshall Tucker" and it was suggested they call themselves the Marshall Tucker Band, not knowing it was a real person's name. Because it was time to go to dinner and everyone was hungry they said "sounds great" and the rest is history.

A few years later they found out that Marshall Tucker was the name of the person who rented the building before them. His name was still on the key tag because the warehouse owner hadn't changed it yet. Mr. Tucker was a blind piano tuner, who, along with his partner, used the building for their piano business.

That seems like a pretty weak generalization to me. Most people who try hallucinogens deal with reality just fine. Its not an escape but an experience and its been been done for thousands of years. Off themselves?...what good advice for such a large percentage of cultures and people over the history of mankind. Sounds like a comment from someone who never tried them and saw too many anti-drug commercials made by people who also never tired them.

I learn something new everyday here on PPOT...thanks for that bit of nostalgia...brings back memories :)!

Yeah, that's a total no-go. Haha

Haven't dropped acid in probably 20 years, but man, what a GREAT friggin time that is.

8 hours of altered-bliss.

8 hours means it's a low hit
12 hours and loosing your sense of self, now that's a proper hit..


Salvia doesn't last nearly as long, although you might think it does while your in...
It's also rather uniform, crap like nature spirit/godess is a recurring theme for many that get a good hit from it. which aint as easy to say, a good concentration is hard to find...

Acid is the golden standard, predicitable but heavy weirdness... it's harder with age though as one tends to be less "open" to the experience, and one also kinda grows more worried with age, which translates to a tendency to bad tripping if not in the right set and setting...
An 8 hour mild acid hit is great fun, but you just don't tell from the hit if it's a 100ug or 400 ug hit... mild, or maximum zoink...
one minute you sit there waiting , and then next you go , hmm, this is comining on kinda strooooooonnnnnng snap. i'm a dot in space...what is I?what's a dot?what's a what?
and then follows the 10-11 hour introspective struggle to find your "self" back, a proper trip... for better or for worse

the real nasty one, the one that you just do not want to try is Datura, or Jimson weed
they might as well call it "trainwreck herb", as it goes on for days and days... drink the tea, wake up in hospital after the police picked you up butnaked wandering in the streets..wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole... and they acutally sell those plants/flowers in shops, i often walk by em at the check out, and i start tripping just standing near the things, knowing what it can do(never tried it, never willl, the stuff just freaks me out just seing it)

Get's better, they release you, thinking you're back to normal... and then you start tripping again while walking home... and wake up in jail...

EDIT< for got , datura is also potentially lethal... you can try it 5 times and be fine, and the 6th might put you in yer coffin... do not try it, ever...

i've tried it the stuff is crazy it's not to be messed with if you arent ready its like super powerfull superconcentrated weed but with different effects