yes, Apple is *evil*

[motion]

Originally Posted by KC911

I agree, that Jobs is key...AAPL will crash & burn the day he announces an exit.

Yes, but all you gotta do is sell the house and cars, buy as much of the tanked AAPL as you can and wait until he comes back and saves the company again

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Gogar

If you bought an iPhone for $600, you KNEW that it would be half the price a few short months later. YOU KNEW. The extra $200 is the price of admission for being FIRST and being COOL. Don't worry about it. You were totally cool. Just for a shorter amount of time this time.

k THAT'S damn funny stuff!


island does have a point about $100 not being $100 (but rather only COGS - benefit of having the crunchies crowd your store to get it).

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by island911

Thing is, the premium is justifiable on products which have complete engineering and design.

you mean like head studs, tensioners, pop-off valves, etc?

Or magnesium cases, rod bolts that stretch, heads that leak, etc?

[KFC911]

It's the marketing I tell ya: "Porsche, there is no substitute!" ...and we bought it

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by island911

I hope it works out well for you, KC. But do note, Jobs is a big risk taker. He also will drive designs with emotion. Sometimes that pays off (iPods). Sometimes it bricks spectacularly. Contrast that design approach w/ our good Dr Porsche's.

I think the good Dr would have used a Mac.

There is a lot that you do not see.

Pop of the side of your PC. Then go to an Apple store and ask them to open up a MacPro. It will become immediately apparent what I'm referring to.

The level of thought and industrial design is not matched by anyone else in the business period.

Don't take my word for it, go investigate it yourself.

Apple drive innovation in the PC market, both hardware and software. Everyone benefits from them being around.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

. .. The level of thought and industrial design is not matched by anyone else in the business period.

Don't take my word for it, go investigate it yourself.
.....

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

OTOH, I'm running some sort of 64 bit Quad xeon Dell with a Quadro 4000sdi graphics card driving a 2560x1600 Dell LCD . . . it's kinda old, so which pretty Mac do you think I should replace it with? I run engineering app's, btw.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by island911

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

OTOH, I'm running some sort of 64 bit Quad xeon Dell with a Quadro 4000sdi graphics card driving a 2560x1600 Dell LCD . . . it's kinda old, so which pretty Mac do you think I should replace it with? I run engineering app's, btw.

hope you got the extended warranty. Our Quad Xeon Dell motherboard fried a few months ago. Dell Technician ended up replacing the entire computer by the time he was done troubleshooting.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by island911

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

OTOH, I'm running some sort of 64 bit Quad xeon Dell with a Quadro 4000sdi graphics card driving a 2560x1600 Dell LCD . . . it's kinda old, so which pretty Mac do you think I should replace it with? I run engineering app's, btw.

How about an 8 core Xeon ( 2x Quad 3GHz Clovertowns) Mac Pro? You could run Unix, Linux, Windows or OSX. Pick the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 GPU(s) and a 30" (or two) display (2560-by-1600).

4 HD Bays and up to 16GB of memory.

Best,

Kurt

P.S: For your benefit, I will assume you were not previously touting Dell machines as having "superior engineering" over Apple machines . . .

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by island911

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

and good engineering alone does not make a good product

but the engineers seem to think so

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by nostatic

and good engineering alone does not make a good product

but the engineers seem to think so

My experience working with Cisco engineers, product managers and marketing on Cisco's optical line yielded many things, but one predominent being: engineers are great at speeds and feeds, but that's it. As product development people, not so much. Of course the product managers sucked at marketing.

Takes a village...

[RKC]

Originally Posted by island911

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

OTOH, I'm running some sort of 64 bit Quad xeon Dell with a Quadro 4000sdi graphics card driving a 2560x1600 Dell LCD . . . it's kinda old, so which pretty Mac do you think I should replace it with? I run engineering app's, btw.

How about this pretty Mac?
It's old too - about a week now.....

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro2,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
L2 Cache (per processor): 8 MB
Memory: 8 GB

[SlowToady]

You guys do know that SUN makes a processor with 8 cores, right?

You want to see good engineering, get a real computer.

I will admit, AAPL hardware *is* pretty, but I don't know that I'd call it the pinnacle of computer design or engineering.

I've been using computers for *years*, about a decade and a half, and I don't find the MacOS to be intuitive at all.

AAPL does have something really good with the G5, though...AFAIK they use a POWER based CPU that was _fast_.

IBM is releasing system based on their POWER6 chip soon..you think that XEON is fast? How does 4.7Ghz per core (2cores) sound? That should move some engineering apps along:-P Unfortunate that it's likely going to cost a King's ransom.

[Moses]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Apple Inc's (AAPL.O) hefty iPhone price cut pits it in direct competition with handsets from Motorola Inc (MOT.N) and Palm Inc (PALM.O), which are struggling to convince Wall Street they can turn around their aging brands.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070907/tc_nm/apple_iphone_rivals_dc

[berettafan]

does anyone else find it odd that people are paying MORE $$ to cruise the net and watch videos, etc on SMALLER screens? WTF is that?

'look it fits in my shirt pocket and i can watch britney spears videos on it!' okay, you enjoy that while i go home, sit on my comfy couch and watch 'the great escape' on a 32" TV.

'but i can text all my friends with this micro keyboard!' how about you quit staring down at your phone and join the rest of the world?


man i feel so old.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by island911

[sigh] ... industrial design DOES NOT MAKE good engineering.

[sigh]...NEVER said it DID.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by KC911

I do have my "money where my mouth is" on this one however as I bought back into AAPL the day I heard the announcement...time will tell.

Might want to "day trade" that stock, or at least pay attention to intra-day activity. AAPL has dropped $14+ in the last 72 hours.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Might want to "day trade" that stock, or at least pay attention to intra-day activity. AAPL has dropped $14+ in the last 72 hours.

I don't day trade at all and typically hold for longer periods. I've learned that if I attempt to "time" a skyrocketing stock, I simply miss out when the next stage of the rocket kicks in. After AAPL reports their numbers for the latter half of this year (4th qtr - holiday sales and the fact that they only had 2 days of iPhone sales in the last qtr), I believe the stock will be significantly higher in 6 months. Some portions of my holdings also have tax implications that justify "letting it ride"...time will tell.

[SlowToady]

This just in...iPhone user and ATT subscriber gets hit with $4,800 monthly bill after taking his phone on a Cruise.

The phone was turned off the entire time.

Apparently the phone, even when OFF, automagically checks and updates E-Mail.

Gotta love that Apple Engineering and Innovation, huh?!?!?!

http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=292751&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=20537695#20537791

[RKC]

He's lying.....or pulling a Bill Clinton about the definition of "off"

I was in London and my bill only shows the data I pulled in. I didn't turn my phone off, but simply turned settings to "manual" email check at night and "check every 1 hour" during the day. I have no charges at night and charges every hour during the day, plus at some other times that I used the web and/or made calls.

By "off" he must mean he made no calls - which it was very clear is not Off. If he was truly at sea, he should have shut the power off, or set his email data check to "manual". I change my settings a couple of times a day (at the gym, at home, etc.) - It's not hard.

I know all sorts of people who wound up with $1,000 phone bills when they first got their cellphones 5-10 years ago when the minute plans were more stingy. This guy wasn't paying attention. And frankly, if he can afford a cruise to Europe, he ought to bite the bullet, admit he was a dope, and pay the bill.....after all, what kind of idiot sets his phone to get email every 15 minutes if he isn't going to use it? And how, exactly, did his phone stay charged for a week or two at a time? Something is fishy here.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by RKC

And how, exactly, did his phone stay charged for a week or two at a time? Something is fishy here.

Must be a new feature...iPhish