Mormons admit 9/11 involvment, issue apology

[Mo_Gearhead]

Lighten up Shane. I imagine most of us thought "what the H***?" when we saw the title, but then found it amusing when we saw the real story.
It's curious only that the dates coincide and you are certainly not the only veteran on this board, so please, be calm.

Now when it is touted on the evening news, Time and in Newsweek, you can be assured they will be trying to tie it all back to Romney's ancestors!

[Rick Lee]

Plenty of modern day Mormon politicians can trace their roots back to those days. Orrin Hatch, Mike Leavitt and plenty of others. Remember, the Mormons have the macdaddy of geneology libraries and it's the only major religion in the world that was invented after the printing press. They are a very well documented bunch.

[SCWDP911]

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead

Lighten up Shane. I imagine most of us thought "what the H***?" when we saw the title, but then found it amusing when we saw the real story.
It's curious only that the dates coincide and you are certainly not the only veteran on this board, so please, be calm.

Now when it is touted on the evening news, Time and in Newsweek, you can be assured they will be trying to tie it all back to Romney's ancestors!

Ha, that was calm...

You flatter me as to being a veteran. I certainly do not consider myself as such. I just ask a lot of questions....

OK, that said, I still think the whole setup was in bad taste, but that is only MY opinion. Listen, if someone told you that all the terrorist attack on 9?11 was now being attributed to anyone that lived in SW Missouri, it would probably rub you just a bit too. Or, maybe that is was some other religious group. I don't think any US citizen would like his race, religion, or whatever being compared to a group of Islamic militant terrorists that attacked our country.

One thing I have learned here is people are definitely not afraid to share their opinions. Now then, I am not mad or holding any kind of grudge. I do not think any less of anyone for their opinions necessarily. I told someone else privately, that everyone has their "line in the sand"... that happened to be mine and I thought it appropriate to speak my piece on it. Piece was spoken, now let's gets along... No blood, no foul... right?

[Mo_Gearhead]

No blood, no foul... right?
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Correct. I was just trying to point out that some on this board like to "press others' buttons" and usually it just for a laugh, as I assume it was here.

Edit: served in the Navy but not a veteran, explain that please?

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Plenty of modern day Mormon politicians can trace their roots back to those days. Orrin Hatch, Mike Leavitt and plenty of others. Remember, the Mormons have the macdaddy of geneology libraries and it's the only major religion in the world that was invented after the printing press. They are a very well documented bunch.

If someone is going back through their family tree, the Mormons have the best records in the world in this area. My Father traced our family back to 1507 by using their records, so its very good.

[SCWDP911]

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead

No blood, no foul... right?
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Correct. I was just trying to point out that some on this board like to "press others' buttons" and usually it just for a laugh, as I assume it was here.

Edit: served in the Navy but not a veteran, explain that please?

Oh man, I guess I needed to pay more attention to that. I thought you meant a verteran on the board. Now I feel sheepish...

[Rick Lee]

We went to the geneology library in SLC when I was a kid, went to the Beehive House and my parents dragged, and I mean DRAGGED me to a service in the Tabernacle. They told me if I didn't sit through it and behave, we wouldn't stop to see Billy the Kid's grave in NM on the way back home to TX. That kept me well behaved too.

[Granite]

So what is the scoop on donating money to the LDS church? Do you have to in order to be in seen in a good light or to remain a member? Just wondering!

[SCWDP911]

Originally Posted by Granite

So what is the scoop on donating money to the LDS church? Do you have to in order to be in seen in a good light or to remain a member? Just wondering!

I'm always happy to answer legit questions.

"donating money" is called paying tithing. It is a commandment of God. It is in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I have received countless blessings over ther years that I have applied the principle and promise if this law (law dictated by God). The church is wealthy ienough to stand on it's own if it had to. I believe that the specific financial blessings in my life are from obedience to this ordinance of the Gospel. This is not to say that if you just pay tithing, God gives you money... He gives you opportunities to provide for yourself. In other words, I pray earnestly as if everything depends upon God... then I work as though everything depends upon me. This philosophy has not let me down yet.

For the record, I thought I should mention that I did not grow up LDS or Mormon. In fact, I really did not go to any church growing up. My mom had a belief in God and Christ, and perhaps my Dad did to. They taught me to cherish and honor truth when it was before me. They taught me to stand up for what I believed in. They taught me that hard work and treating others respectfully would get me farther in life than other plans. So when the Gospel of Jesus Christ was presented to me through some interesting twists and turns in my life, I recognized the truth in what was before me, and then latched onto it.

Sorry to get "churchy" on you, but you did ask. I make it a point to not force my religion upon others, but try to live an exemplary life that would cause others to ask what is different. And as I said before, if others ask sincere questions, I am always more than happy to try to answer them.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Granite

So what is the scoop on donating money to the LDS church? Do you have to in order to be in seen in a good light or to remain a member? Just wondering!

To expand on things a bit, paying your share to the church is seen as a mandatory thing with the LDS. You have a card that shows if you are a member "in good standing" (in other words, have paid your share) that is needed to get into the church. No tickee, no laundry and if you are not paid up you do not get inside. They ask to see your pay slip or income tax form and you have to pay the required percentage of your dues. There will not be any wiggling out of paying part of your dues if you are going to be a paid up member.

BTW, if you are not a Mormon, you aint getting inside the church for love nor money. When they build a new church they open it up for a tour for everyone the first day or two when everyone can come for a visit. After that its closed forever and no one who is not a LDS member will ever get inside. Wedding, funeral, it does not matter, you are not getting inside for any reason if you are not LDS.

Used to date a Mormon woman and learned a lot about the religion. Some good and some interesting... and some difficult. If you are in need, and I mean really in need due to losing your job, illness or the like, the church will take care of you to a descent standard. When you are well you are expected to get back to work, this is not charity. Agree totally with this stance and wish more of society would take this stance.

Its an interesting religion and while I do not agree with parts of it, there are other parts that I really respect. If I did not really enjoy my glass of wine with dinner and cigar every week or three, they might have me as a member.

[cmccuist]

Joe, just a couple of clarifications. The card you're talking about is a temple recommend. And you need that to get into the temple to perform ordinances. Everyone can come to church and are welcome, regardless of whether they pay tithing or not.

It's getting into the temple where you have to be a full-tithe payer in order to enter.

My own mother-in-law wasn't able to attend my wedding when I was married in the temple as she wasn't a member (and she's evil anyway, but that's another story). We had another ceremony outside the temple for everyone else.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by cmccuist

My own mother-in-law wasn't able to attend my wedding when I was married in the temple as she wasn't a member (and she's evil anyway, but that's another story). We had another ceremony outside the temple for everyone else.

Craig,

Thanks and wonder if we had the same Mother In Law?

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by v8_ranch

I am fairly thick-skinned, and was going to just blow this one off, but...

I do not wish to make a big deal out of a joke. I just ask that maybe you can change the title of this thread to reflect what you are actually talking about.

Thank you,
Shane Van Wey

Don't worry Shane, even if Mormons are on the radar for 9/11, GW will probably attack somewhere in Montana

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Mule

Horrible as it may be, I think the statute of limitations may have run out on that one. If not I say we prosecute.

No statute of limitation on murder

[Mule]

Then dig 'em up & lock 'em up. I'm tough on crime.

[Rick Lee]

Wasn't Lee made the scapegoat for Mountain Meadow and executed years later?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by cmccuist

It's getting into the temple where you have to be a full-tithe payer in order to enter.

Is that like 'luxury suites" in the NFL? I thought the Catholics were mercenary.

[SCWDP911]

Joe,

Oh my... you unfortanately are a little discombobbled, but that is OK. Unfortunately I do not have time right noe to straighten you out! Ha! Seriously, I need to get going, and basically, Craig made the main point of clarfication. Just needs a bit more explanantion, but can't do it now.

It was funny though... Now where did I hide my tax returns...?

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by v8_ranch

Joe,

Oh my... you unfortanately are a little discombobbled, but that is OK. Unfortunately I do not have time right noe to straighten you out! Ha! Seriously, I need to get going, and basically, Craig made the main point of clarfication. Just needs a bit more explanantion, but can't do it now.

It was funny though... Now where did I hide my tax returns...?

Sorry but stand by my post. My lady friend was asked to see her pay slips to insure that she was paying the correct amount. It may be different in Tenn but not out here...

Laugh all you want...

[holtjv]

Would any Mormons on this board not vote for Romney?